Monaco Historic GP

Incredible thread, I love the 1960's pre wing F1 cars. I need to go to this event. Thanks for the pictures!

 

Fantastic

 

For the one who are interesting by pics, I've just finished my "GP Monaco Historic 2008" update.
You can find 35 pics here : http://trasosworld.free.fr/grand-prix-monaco-historique-2008.htm

 

It will definitelly not...

 

Great news Cris - is it heading to Argentina?

 

Vignale called the bodystyle 'De-Luxe T.51'.

 

Yes.

 

The positive camber on that pre-war car is rediculous. The Auto Union didn't crash did it? I was there two years ago just by coincidence and it feels like you are in the 1950's or 60's (or so I would assume, I'm only 24). I know there is video on youtube from 4 years ago. Does anyone know if there is video from this years floating around somewhere?

 

Are there any current Vintage Racers on here that can explain what the (period) line of thinking was on a positive camber setup?

Even my Healey (BN6L-942) circa '57-58 has one (1) degree positive camber.

Thanks for any insight, as this has always puzzled me.

 

Audi did not make it ... a company in England did, and they have made more than 1 for Audi ... and also restored the originals.
Pete

 

Wire wheels.

Pete

 

old movie...
http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=_it_LDxxIKY

 

trop cool tes photos!

 

Remember when that was FAST! ?

 

Crosthwaite and Gardiner - restorers of several significant GP Mercedes/Auto Union originals along with 2 replicas including the Avus Stromliner

http://www.crosthwaiteandgardiner.com/cgHome_.htm

 

Thank you for the clarification! The AF101....huh not the most successful venture...I read Eoin Young's bio of Amon this winter and....what a disaster! Of course as Chris readily admits he always was chaotic and the ame applied to that whole effort.

 

here is the crash......(copyright in the corner)
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More pics here: http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=189312

 

Could you flesh that out a bit, please?

Tom W

 

I thought it had to do with solid axles causing outer wheel to lift thus requiring inner one to do all the turning work.

 

My Healey, originally one-degree positive camber/solid axle (open differential) would lift an inside wheel when steady-state cornering under ideal conditions.

Were the early vintage racers in question fitted with locked differentials, and would that cause the outer wheel to lift?

I didn't accept the "wire wheels" answer as complete, as a certain French Marque were regularly fitted with alloy wheels.

 

Sorry I meant lift inner wheel causing outer wheel to have to do the work.

 

That is a very good point, and I have tried to find supporting information for my wire wheels comment, and so far failed . But I do recall reading this somewhere ... but in hindsight it makes no sense as wire wheels were not the first car wheels (but read on I'm thinking as I'm typing ).

I do recall studying a wonderful technical drawing in one of my fathers many wonderful old car books that showed the top inner wire (of the wire wheel) being dead straight, and we need to remember that the hub hangs in a wire wheel.

I still think it had to do with the lack of rigidity in the old wheels, which was maintained right up until the end of wire wheels. If you had negative camber then on cornering the wheel would go from stressed in X direction in the straight ahead position to being stressed in the Y direction. This from a fatigue point of view would be very bad and quickly cause failures.

With positive camber the wheel would be stressed in the Y direction and then further stressed in that same direction during cornering, thus far better from a fatigue point of view.
Pete