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Mondial loosing power then finding it again

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  1. relostrat1

    relostrat1 Karting

    Apr 9, 2008
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    Tim Haines
    Hey all,

    Hope someone can help. I have a 1991 Mondial T. On several ocassions while crusing at highway speeds, my engine seems to cut to like half power. It is getting some power, but no gain in power if I gas it. If I put the clutch in, the RPMs will drop all the way and the car turns off. I can kick it while still on the highway and usually once It has "reset itself" of sorts, it will be fine. Then out of nowhere, it goes into this half running mode again. SOmetimes it snaps out of it on its own without the letting it die then restarting situation.

    I have had a sporatic engine slow down light issue, but these is not on when this occurs. It is like the computer goes into a protection mode or something. SOmedays it happens, others it doesent. My mechanic is not sure where to look as he cant replicate it.

    Help.

    Tim
    Cincinnati
    1991 Mondial
    1981 400i
     
  2. jonesdds

    jonesdds Formula 3

    Aug 31, 2006
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    Maybe check the battery cables, ground, alternator connections or function? Definetly sounds electrical. Just a thought, I defer to the experts. Might get some help on the 348 section due to it being a T? Good luck.

    Jeff
     
  3. Andrew Bolton

    Andrew Bolton Karting

    Aug 20, 2004
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    My problem too. If the mixture is way too rich, then you will get the "slow down" light and once the rpms get up there, the engine can suddenly breath (and thus the mixture leans out) and power comes back on.

    Andrew
     
  4. Artvonne

    Artvonne F1 Veteran

    Oct 29, 2004
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    sounds like a dinoplex dropping out one bank of cylinders.
     
  5. snj5

    snj5 F1 World Champ

    Feb 22, 2003
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    sounds like it, but he has an early Bosch Motronic t (2.7?), so could still be dropping a side...

    It does sound electrical...
     
  6. chrmer3

    chrmer3 Formula 3

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    check the O2 sensor- if lights are coming on.
    348 section where you want to be- I had a 91 348 the O2 sensors would make it code & act strange.
    You can swap leads on the 348 to easily narrow down problems, both sides virtually the same-
    Chris
     
  7. texasfcar

    texasfcar Karting

    Mar 16, 2008
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    i had a similar issue on my Mondial t. I describe it as "cutting out".

    I unplugged the MAF connectors and replugged them. And I have not had the problem since. Not sure if that helps.
     
  8. davebdave

    davebdave Formula 3
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    #8 davebdave, Aug 10, 2008
    Last edited: Aug 10, 2008
    We had a similar problem with our 92t. Also turned out to be an O2 sensor. When ours was acting up you could smell fuel in the exhaust. You might smell fuel in the oil also.

    We took it to Competizione Sport in MD and Fernando was able to isolate the problem right away with their computer.

    Fernando also opened all motronic ignition connectors and applied Stabilant 22A to the connector plugs. He said that a bad connection anywhere (as in the MAF above) can cause a similar result.

    Don't forget the thermocouple ECUs in the trunk.

    Of course, when you fix it, change the oil right away.

    Dave
     
  9. relostrat1

    relostrat1 Karting

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    All, Thanks for the advice. SO I dont have to search, where is and MAF connectors. Resetting that seems an easy place to start. I had been meaning to replace the O2 sensors also.

    Tim
     
  10. chrmer3

    chrmer3 Formula 3

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    Hi Tim,
    OK one other thing & I speak from knowledge- When you replace the O2 sensors (they make original Bosch around $150 each if memory serves me right) or you can get a generic & remake the ends..

    (from no doubt):
    A considerably cheaper alternative to the OEM O2 sensor: O'Reilley Auto Parts carries the superior Borg Warner 4-wire factory-fit-harness O2 sensor for the 348 ($65). This BWD/BG part number is OS582. These are 4 wire O2 Sensors that DO NOT need to be spliced to your original O2 black plastic electrical connectors. They are sold with a wiring harness that is plug and play.

    Once you do that you need to check the resistance readings on the MAF (mass air flow sensors) they are the 2 black things on top of motor with hoses out of front of car side (airbox to one side rear) on the side of them you will see a small round plug (may or may not be there) remove it & that is where you adjust the MAF sensors
    (again from no doubt):
    Your two Ferrari 348 MAF's are factory set initially at 383 Ohms resistance each. You can adjust their resistance (this resistance can be measured with the engine off by connecting an Ohm-meter to the outermost metal pins, number 1 and number 6, beneath the data signal cable on each MAF) to or from this value via a screw beneath the disposable blue cap on each MAF sensor. Adjusting the MAF resistance value will change your Air/Fuel mixture setting.

    Turning this MAF screw clockwise with a flat-blade screwdriver (see photo below) thickens your air to fuel mixture ratio (per the factory workshop manual, anyway), i.e. leaning. Turning this screw clockwise will also **INCREASE** the resistance value that is measured between the outermost pins (i.e. pins #1 and #6).

    YES you do need to check these values: WHY? because many jack leg mechanics tweak the settings to beat emissions instead of diagnosing the bad O2 sensor that is COMMON to fail on that engine.

    Easy to do, its straightforward as are the O2 sensors-

    Good Luck,
    Chris
     
  11. relostrat1

    relostrat1 Karting

    Apr 9, 2008
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    Tim Haines
    Hey all, crank sensor it is....back on the road and all sorted out..
     

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