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  1. billh1963

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    #26 billh1963, Jan 14, 2015
    Personal experience has shown that paying a reputable shop to do a full major plus fix the multiple sins of past owners will cost around $10K...you are in the ball park.

    If you can get your car back running perfectly with all the little things done and working properly the $10K is really nothing. You will know EXACTLY what was done to the car. Once a Mondial has been correctly repaired, my experience (so far) is that they are extremely reliable and will need very little for the next 4 or 5 years as long as you exercise the car regularly. If you spread that $10K over 5 years that's only $2K a year...that's nothing.

    I drive my two EVERY weekend....unless it's pouring rain. And, yes, I do drive in light rain and neither car has melted. :)
     
  2. Mondial83

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    #27 Mondial83, Jan 14, 2015
    Well thank you Bill. That makes me feel better about my mistake of not knowing what I was doing when I purchased my little gem. I intend to bring her back from the disgrace she suffered by previous owners. I suspected after I drove it that it may get spendy. I crossed my fingers but that did not work out to well. I think the 10 k is what I expected so if was not much the shock to me. I will post pictures of the sadness when I go visit her tomorrow. One thing Is for certain. She won't be treated that way in my possession.
     
  3. billh1963

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    #28 billh1963, Jan 15, 2015
    The costs that will really add up are the "while you are in there" items....

    While the engine is out have the clutch changed...$$

    Any bad looking hoses or fuel lines? Easier to change now.

    How was the car running? My '86 needed some injectors replaced...$$

    In my case the rubber CV joints were perished on my '88...the rear suspension had to be partially disassembled to repace them. Not free 😄

    Is your a/c working? More money

    How old are the tires? Another $500 or $600. Might as well get the car aligned, too.

    Brakes? Suspension bushings? Start adding

    It can add up rather quickly.

    As I stated before, The good news is that once done it will last for years!
     
  4. paulchua

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    #29 paulchua, Jan 15, 2015
    Keep up the good work, and don't feel too bad. I had a similar experience.

    I bought my Mondial site unseen from a charity; I got to talk to the owner that donated it. He sold himself as some Ferrari expert. I took it at face value since I figured - hey - why would a guy donating the car not give the full story right?

    Wrong

    Here are things that I had to fix and replace. (with cost)

    Fusebox ($1,000)
    Wiring ($5,000)
    Knobs ($200)
    Broken Tach ($200)
    Tires ($800)
    Fuel Pump ($800)
    Alternator ($500)
    Water Hose ($500)
    Power Steering Hose ($500)
    Broken side teeth ($500)
    Waterpump ($1,000)
    Broken seat belt mice ($1,000)
    various dents/scuffs/scratches ($500)
    Battery ($200)
    Shift Knob ($100)

    These cars are 'never' cheap - but have the satisfaction knowing you're doing the right thing NOW. These things once replaced will last you a while....and - you get to start intimately understanding your car..that's part of the experience.
     
  5. Mondial83

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    #30 Mondial83, Jan 15, 2015
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    Well just got back from the shop that my gem is in. Here's the breaksown.

    Servo for fuel cap. Mechanic says he can fix that without replacing.
    Emission system completely shot. He is removing all of it. I'm keeping the parts tho.
    Coolant hoses from back to front are gone full of holes. 800.00 for hoses
    Boots on reared gone
    All rubber hoses are being replaced
    Water pump rebuild.
    Ac pump rebuild 600.00
    All plugs all wires replaced with original Ferrari parts
    Full major service.
    Paint valve cover and plenum
    Fix repair make operate without rigging. Fuel door servo
    Clean engine and engine bay
    Reinstall engine
    I'm sure I left a bunch out that he is doing. All in all he said the car itself and all other
    Components are in great shape so all said and done unless I replace exhaust
    It is 6000.00 parts and 4500.00 labor. Grand total without new exhaust
    10500.00 I think that's not bad. The might as wells while your in there except for the clutch
    Are included we went over all of it and I am going with mechanic recommendatios on the while your at it.

    Now for the clutch it felt great shifted great. Why should I replace it? I forgot to go over that part with him today. Does the engine have to come out to do clutch? What is the going price on the parts?
     
  6. Mondial83

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  9. paulchua

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    #34 paulchua, Jan 15, 2015
    Believe it or not - that's not that bad!! Seriously - think of it as getting a new car....

    I think you're okay with the clutch since it can be serviced without taking the engine out in the future correct? (I may be wrong here) -- one thing good about the Exhaust is most people replace it anyway so consider that just an upgrade!

    I know it hurts --- but you'll have a well sorted car that will be good for years to come!

    Keep up the good work!
     
  10. Mondial83

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    #35 Mondial83, Jan 15, 2015
    I have idea about the clutch and doing it with engine in the car. I guess research is in order on that one. The new exhaust hmmmmm I don't know. I still gotta have the car painted and detailed inside new headliner has to be installed sunroof is not operational will be fixed by body shop head lights do not go up and down but do turn on. So dang when do I stop. The new exhaust I can do later on I think I will leave the old one in. Unless some one changes my mind on that for a good reason lol they are high dollar.
     
  11. Mondial83

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    #38 paulchua, Jan 15, 2015
    Keep up the great work - it's a beauty and will purr like a kitten once all is said and done...

    PLUS don't forget that now that it's properly maintained - you've juts upped it's equity - having all the stuff fixed etc goes a long way if you need to sell it quickly for whatever reason.
     
  14. Mondial83

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    #39 Mondial83, Jan 15, 2015
    Agreed. Not to mention the fun it's gonna be to drive.
     
  15. davem

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    #40 davem, Jan 15, 2015
    How many miles on car regarding clutch? Replaced mine at 26k.
    Like you had the engine pulled and also had a leaking RMS.
    So it was right there. The clutch had a good many miles left and i probably should have left it be.
    Much easier on a T than an 8-3.2 to change clutch.
     
  16. MvT

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    #41 MvT, Jan 16, 2015
    Very nice work Rodney! I don't see abnormalities in what is done except from the wiring. It is not the wires that give problems but the connectors. The clutch.. leave it and don't let him talk you in to in replacing it. YOu can do it afterwards. 3 hours of work ;) A new exchaust.. I am with you on doing the paint work first and you will have a year to pick out the exchaust you want. Picking it to fast will always generate regretful feelings. You want to hear several before you make up your mind.

    One tip if I may. Regrease your front wheelbearings. Old grease does not lube well. I ruined 2 bearing 300 USD a piece in not doing so. (Original 700 USD a piece)

    Looks great! :) Cheers
     
  17. Mondial83

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    #42 Mondial83, Jan 16, 2015
    Thanks Tijn. I agree with your thoughts as well I think I will do just that especially on the exhaust. I will grease front bearings thank you for the tips. I encourage any and all advice I can get as I am a very un skilled Ferrari owner but I am learning. It's expensive to learn this way but it is fun exciting and interesting to learn about.
     
  18. Mondial83

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    #43 Mondial83, Jan 17, 2015
    My girl has 54,000 miles on her. I think the clutch felt great shifting was a breeze. Mechanic said no need to change it. This mechanic is not gouging me a n anyway I am very pleased with how is handling my car. He has told me of a few ways to save money on parts and what must be done now and what can wait a few thousand miles. I am 6068.00 deep in parts only so far I have learned a lot about my car especially with engine out of her. The mechanic explained every detail and why the parts are there what they do and if the need or must be addressed. All in all Don Blacks performance is a damn good doctor for my car. I can't wait because after the week that my gem has been with him I know he will do a stellar job. He says my engine will look sound and run like a new car. We will see. I'm not mad at myself for this money pit of a mistake I have made. I am going to finish the car out not to concourse but it will once again be a fine example of a real Ferrari. I'm gonna drive the hell out of toooooooooooo
     
  19. Mondial83

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    #44 Mondial83, Jan 17, 2015
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    Ok rims and tires. I really am not fond of the stock Ferrari rims and old Trx tires on my car. I want some damn flashy rims. Can I put any rim of same bolt pattern? Are Ferrari like old rolls Royce where only one rim in the world fits it without serious machining?? I like a lot of the other type of Ferrari rims but I am not paying those prices after what I will have in all the restorations of the car. So am I being stupid here? Was thinking about some aftermarket new style today kinda sport car rims. For example I have Helo rims and nitto tires on my 2014 silverado. They are very sharp looking and I only paid 2500 for rims and tires mounted ballanced out the door. I was thinking I could pull my girl into custom wheel shop and have the same out come but pop my Ferrari center caps in. Don't get upset I'm just asking. I'd like my car to have that wow factor that flare. A badass set of wheels and tires could really set it off. But a Ferrari prices for rims and tires hells bells by time it said and done my Mondi will be a 50,000 dollar car and hells no I coulda bought a better model for that price. I bought my car because it was cheaper than the Porsche I was looking to buy. And thought well I do like ferraris I just thought they were higher than Porsche and the example I bought ended up being more than the Porsche I was looking at damn the luck huh. So I don't know. Would I look like a fool to put aftermarket custom rims and tires on my Mondi? Will aftermarket rimes and tires even work? Will new model Ferrari rims and tires work? I'm sorry I'm a rookie Ferrari owner. I seek advice
     
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    #49 Mondial83, Jan 17, 2015
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    Two hoses run all the way to the front. This is not going to be easy or cheap to get those out and new ones back in which are 400.00 per. But it must be done can't be left that way.
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  25. Mondial83

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    #50 Mondial83, Jan 17, 2015
    Should I water proof the ecu units while I can? What to use? I assume that's what those two aluminum colored boxes with the fins on them are? They look rough but darned expensive. Everything worked electrical wise beside head light motors. But I only drove it 20 miles so I guess that's not very telling. The fuse box looks new but idk. It does not look rough at all.
     
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