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Mondial T Oil Cooler thermo switch

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  1. Aris64

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    #1 Aris64, Aug 30, 2024
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    It seems, according to wiring diagram that thermal switch controlling oil cooler fan has not some relay and the current of 6-8 Amp required by the fan is directly switched through the thermal switch. Am I wrong? Anyone with relative experience? In the diagram 01512 is the cooling fan, 03062 is the thermal switch and 04000 is a combination switch witch seem to be the multi switch used for lights etc. It is strange why positive wire is coming from there but this is how it looks...
     

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  2. Steve Magnusson

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    What reference are you using? I've got a pdf copy of the Mondial t WSM, but I've noted that the schematics in it might be from a (different) wiring diagram book -- the relay letter names on the schematics don't seem to match the relay letter names given for the fuse-relay panel (i.e. relay N on the schematic seems to be running one of the water fan motors while relay N is the flasher relay on the fuse-relay panel. This is fairly common in the F documentation (the relay letter names being different in the OM versus the wiring diagram or being different in the WSM versus the wiring diagram). Doesn't explain your problem (as I would guess that the schematics and the item legend for the schematics should be from the same wiring diagram book). I was trying to look at the water fan motor stuff because that's usually where the oil cooler fan is shown too, but then I noticed this relay weirdness and my head exploded from looking at these user-hateful schematics so I gave up ;). I will say that a 1 mm^2 wire to run a cooling fan motor is kind of smallish so that's suspicious, and being run by what looks like the HVAC control switch is also odd. I was thinking that might be the small cabin air sampling motor, and it just got mislabled, but I'm out -- maybe Ian will chime in.
     
  3. Aris64

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    I am using the official WSM for Mondial T, however its true that there are mistakes and discrepancies indeed. The relays reference is incorrect for some of them, also it is mixed with 348 WSM, i.e. the WSM indicates a second fuse box at the passenger footwell which simply does not exist on Mondial T! In the footwell there are only the ECUs for suspension and A/C, a special relay for time out delay in cabin lights and several connectors. The fuses and relays are mainly to the rear baggage space for the control of fuel pumps etc. It's really very frustrating for an official WSM to have such mistakes.

    Now regarding oil fan cooler, it seems that wiring diagram is correct. I have verified through wires' color coding that the diagram (at least in this particular case) is correct . I agree that 1mm2 wire is not the best considering also the wiring length and unavoidable voltage drop but that's it.
    So, I decided to add locally a simple relay to relax the thermal switch from the starting/operating current of fan. It is interesting also to mention that the thermal switch is externally fitted to the oil cooler so the sensing temperature is in the back side of the cooler and not the real accurate oil temperature, also I test it and it starts to operate exactly at 80 deg. Celcius.
     
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  5. Qavion

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    The 04000 probably represents the steering column and the fan wiring might be going through the ignition switch (?). The bottom half of 04000 looks like turn, wipers, etc.
     
  6. Aris64

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    Thanks for the comment, essentially you are right. If you see my previous comment is an update which clarify all points.
     
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    Ah.. I just thought you had duplicated the post by mistake. My bad.
     

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