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  1. MvT

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    I am not very fond on Swiss oldtimers. Back in the days they drove outside (salt etc.) and the one I have see too had to much (hidden) rust. There are good swiss ones, but those are the exceptions and you still need to import it into the EU, with all the emission stuff on it. I would not worry about a damage if it is repaired properly or if you need to let it repair.. ..and try to find one that has no damage (in the EU) or a paint job, almost impossible. I have seen 25 Mondials and just one had no paint job (nor maintenance).

    At one point you need to sacrifice one of your demands. If you like the T, get perhaps a red one and paint/wrap it the color you want. Advantage is that you have a fresh paintjob. If the model is just a Mondial, perhaps the green QV is nice. I know for sure I would look at it. Whichever model you take they are great and fun cars to drive! They are really underestimated.

    Ps. I'm sure you might know already, but I just mentioning it. The maintenance price on a T is higher end needs an engine out for service when you do not do it yourself. You can do a lot yourself if you want to and even let the engine in for belt service (need to remove the thanks).

    If the T is a valeo (automatic transmission).. really think it through! Parts are just horrible to get and the knowledge and equipment to adjust the transmission even worse... it is a big challenge. Great model though and rare. Not sure if the valeo also came as a cabriolet!

    Et voila: nice price too!
    FERRARI MONDIAL CABRIOLET T 3.4 V8 300 1992 ESSENCE occasion - Saint-jean-d illac - Gironde 33 (lacentrale.fr)

    Some sites:
    https://www.largus.fr
    https://www.lacentrale.fr
    https://www.leboncoin.fr/voitures/offres
    https://www.autovisual.com/fr
    https://www.aramisauto.com
     
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  3. 1HSV1

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    Thanks for all your support

    I contacted the dealer in Bordeaux. Let’s see what they reply. The car looks great but has not been driven a lot during the past several years and it had an accident. My French is not very well though… my journey has just begun


    „Se puoi sognarlo, puoi farlo.“ Enzo Ferrari
     
  4. MvT

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    @Journiacois do you know this Mondial by any chance? it's in the Bordeaux area :)

    What kind of accident? Personally I don't mind to be honest. all can be fixed. question is how, but like I said it is difficult to find one that has not been into one or a paint job ;) Mine also has had a accident, but repaired properly.

    I see indeed that the front bumper light units are not aligned. One is certainly outwards and the looks to deep inwards. Grill looks fine. Looking at this it can be fixed fairly easy.

    In general Ferraris that don't drive a lot have potential a lot lack of maintenance. Yes, there are exceptions! usually the ones from folks here.

    Do a PPI (Pre-Purchase Inspection) if you are really interested in this one. A Ferrari specialist will look at it in detail and write you in detail of potential issues. It will cost you 500 euro, but you will have more certainty about the state of the car. If the seller does not want to do a PPI... walk away... but that is unlikely as I see more Ferrari's so he will know what a PPI is.
     
  5. paulchua

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    I currently own both the Mondial t and 456M GTA.

    The 456 is about 1/5th the excitement of the Mondial t.

    The Mondial is about 1/5th the practicality of the 456.

    The 456 is more of a 'car.' The Mondial is more of a Ferrari.

    When I want to go somewhere and be comfortable, I take out the 456. When I want to 'drive' I take out the Mondial t.

    It's not even close which is more exciting. I'm not stingy with my cars, I let all my buddies drive either. They all agree with me wholeheartedly. I would argue even with the 6 speed in the 456, it wouldn't change the equation much. The 456 is not meant to be used in twisty canyons (I can pull that off in the Mondial) - it's meant for freeways where you need to gobble up 100s and feel you're in a bullet train.
     
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  6. geno355

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    That's an awesome and fascinating post.

    Geno
     
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  8. rob

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    Curious why you say this?
     
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  9. paulchua

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    #2732 paulchua, Jan 14, 2022
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    Great question.

    First is the convertible, I only drive my Mondial t in good weather. I drove in a few rainstorms, will never do that ever again. You get some moisture getting in.
    The second is space, I actually drive with 4 people often, the Mondial is way more cramp (I'm almost 6 feet) - doable, but only for short trips.
    Third is the engine drone, the Mondial is just a much louder car with less insulation, so for long trips - it can be tiring - Road noise, the 456 is a vault compared to the Mondial, on longer trips - the cabin is a really nice place to be, the Mondial is great for short jaunts
    Fourth is suspension, the Mondial is much stiffer on my setup - so I feel every pebble on the road (great for canyon carving) is not so good for a grocery run
    Fifth the heater/AC on the Mondial is sufficient, but on the 456 takes it totally different level - much more compliant, and easier to find the 'sweet' spot in temp and stay there
    Sixth - seats on the Mondial are great for twisties, but too firm for long trips (again I like it) but nowhere as comfortable than the 456 (which is actually the most comfortable seats of any car I've owned)
    Seven - Trunk space, while not significantly larger, it is way bigger than what I can fill in the Mondial
    Eight - even with my upgraded lighting on either, the 456 is much brighter though nowhere as good as modern offerings (I'm spoiled with LED/Laser lights.)
    Nine - The gated shifter on the Mondial is a Godsend...that is until you're in stop and go traffic
    Ten - No warm-up period. My Mondial takes about 10 minutes to be in its sweet spot, the 456 is turn-key and go.

    This all said if I had to keep one?

    The Mondial hands down is what I would keep forever, not even close.

    That said, I love my 456M, not bashing it by any means. They are just two totally different cars.

    The 456 is a tuxedo with dress shoes, the Mondial a sports jacket with jeans and sneakers
     
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  10. rob

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    You have piqued my interest in the 456.
     
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  11. paulchua

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    I think my post may have painted the Mondial t unfairly with my 10 critiques. Here are 10 things that I find superior.

    1) It's better handling/lighter/mid-engine - you definitely feel it
    2) The engine note is much more 'sportier'
    3) Steering is heavenly, the steering on the 456 is vaguer in my opinion
    4) Seats far more sportier/bolstered
    5) Gated (need I say more?)
    6) Faster throttle response
    7) Higher redline
    8) Convertible is definitely a plus on good weather
    9) I know subjective, but I think it looks slightly better, definitely gets more traditional "Ferrari attention.'
    10) Better road feel, more connected feeling.

    The Mondial t is a much rawer, sportier, youthful proposition - a think your 20's and 30s. The 456M is the more mature proposition, your 40s and beyond.

    Love both, no wrong answer, just need the 'right person' to the right car.
     
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  13. paulchua

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    Interestingly enough, I saw this article come in this morning in my mailbox. I remembered this 4 car comparison here. You can see the conclusion was the same about the non-GT character of the Mondial t. I agree wholeheartedly with that. I also agree when they said the Ferrari is the one that 'scared' them the most to drive. That's how I felt the first say the year I owned it. Now having owned it for nearly a decade, I no longer fear it, 'respect' is the more apt phrase, and the joy in understanding how to 'tame' a wild horse and bond with it is the joy this particular Ferrari was able to provide. You need to understand it to fully enjoy it.
     
  14. Matthew 6:19

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    Love this description of the Mondial.... I think its spot on (from a guy whose been known to wear jeans and a jacket).

     
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  15. Journiacois

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  16. Journiacois

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    Sorry MvT. Do not know this car at all. We're a couple hours from Bordeaux so don't often have a chance to meet up with cars from there.
     
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  17. Miuraguy

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    I have posted my 1989 Mondial T coupe for sale on Cars and Bids. It's a great car and drives wonderfully. I've owned her over 12 years, and it is one of the 43 U.S. versions. All Mondials imported after 1989 were cabriolets. Check it out on the Cars and Bids site.
     
  18. RobbyC

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    Looks nice! Whichever number of the 43 yours is, it's the next after mine if it went by VIN. Mine ends in 834. Good luck, I hope you do well!
     

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