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  1. Timmmmmmmmmmy

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    Just to try and keep track of things and also invite people to join in conversation on the subject. Have limited MY list to Ferraris of note and anything else that is likely to go seven figues.

    RM Auctions August 16th & 17th @ Portola Hotel
    Ferrari
    1950 Ferrari 166MM #0038 - Est. US$3 - 3.5 million
    1954 Ferrari 500 Mondial #0418 - Est.US$2.7 - 3.2 million
    1955 Ferrari 750 Monza #0530 -Est. US$3.4 - 4 million
    1960 Ferrari 250 GT Pininfarina Series II Cabriolet #1939
    1961 Ferrari 400SA #2841SA - Est. US$2.5 - 3 million
    1964 Ferrari 250 GT Lusso #5537 - Est. US$1.1 - 1.4 mil.
    1966 Ferrari 275GTS #7331 - Est. US$800,000 - 1.0 mil.
    1967 Ferrari 275 GTB/4*S #10709
    1969 Ferrari 365 GTC #?
    1971 Ferrari 365 GTS/4 #14829
    1990 Ferrari F40 #ZFFMN34A3L0086658
    1995 Ferrari F50 #ZFFTA46B000099999 - Est. US$1.2 - 1.6 mil.
    1996 Ferrari 333SP #015

    Other
    1928 Mercedes Benz S - Type #35949
    1931 Duesenberg SJ Murphy Convertible #2367/J-345 - Est. US$2 - 2.5 mil.
    1935 Hispano - Suiza K6 Brandone #16035 - Est. US$1 - 1.5mil.
    1939 Mercedes Benz 540K Special Roadster #408383
    1953 Maserati A6GCS #2053 - Est. US$2.5 - 3 million
    1953c Maserati A6G #2190 - Est. US$800,000 - 1.2 mil.
    1955 Jaguar D - Type #XKD530
    1960 Maserati Tipo 61 #2461 - Est. US$3 - 4 million

    Gooding - August 17th & 18th @ Pebble Beach
    Ferrari
    1955 Ferrari 250GT Berline Competizione #0415 - Est. US$6.5 - 7.5 mil.
    1957 Ferrari 500TRC -
    1957 Ferrari 250 Tour de France #0773 - Est. US$9 - 11 mil.
    1965 Ferrari 500 Superfast #5985 - Est. US$1.75 - 2.25 mil.
    1965 Ferrari 275 GTB Alloy Long Nose #7887 - Est. US$2.25 - 2.5 mil.
    1966 Ferrari 330GT 2 + 2 - Est. US$180,000 - 220,000
    1967 Ferrari 330GTC Coupe
    1969 Ferrari 365 GTC
    1971 Ferrari 365GTB/4 Michelotti Spider "Marion" - Est. US$700,000 - 1.0 mil.
    1974 Ferrari Dino 246GTS
    1990 Ferrari F40 LM - Est. US$2 - 2.5 mil.

    Other
    1929 Bentley Speed Six Grafton Coupe #FR2630 - Est. US$3 - 4 mil.
    1929 Duesenberg Model J Murphy Convertible
    1933 Rolls Royce Phantom II #71MW - Est US$1 - 1.3 mil.
    1948 Alfa Romeo 6C2500 Competizione #920002 - Est. US$2.8 - 3.2 mil.
    1954 Bentley R - Type Continental #BC5LD - Est. US$1.75 - 2.25 mil.
    1954 Bentley R - Type Continental Park Ward DHC #BC8D - Est. US$1.0 - 1.5 mil.
    1956 Maserati 150S - Est. US$2.25 - 3.0 mil.
    1958 Maserati 3500GT Spider Prototype - Est. US$1 mil. +
    1964 Shelby Cobra - Est. US$2 - 2.5 mil.

    Bonhams - August 16th @ Quail Lodge
    Ferrari
    1953 Ferrari 250 Europa Vignale Berlinetta
    1965 Ferrari 275 GTS

    Other
    1924 Bugatti Type 35 Prototype #4323
    1930 Bentley 4.5 Litre Blower Le Mans Spec. Tourer #MS3944
    1958 Lister - Chevrolet 1964 "Barn find"

    Mecum - August 15th - 17th @ Hyatt Regency Hotel
    Ferrari
    1954 Ferrari 750 Monza #0462M
    1990 Ferrari F40 #ZFFMN34A9L0086602

    Other
    1938 Delage D8-120 Aerosport Coupe #51617
    1955 Porsche 550/1500RS #550-077
    1964 Shelby Cobra #CSX2487

    Russo & Steele - August 15th - 17th @ Waterfront
    Ferrari
    1949 Ferrari 166 Inter Farina Berlinetta #037S
     
  2. jnk

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    Where did you get the estimates, or are those your personal estimates
     
  3. Timmmmmmmmmmy

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    From the Auction companies press releases off Anamera/ Sportscardigest/ Classic Driver et al. And where there is no price I might/ might not give my personal estimate ?. Any suggestions.
     
  4. 275GTBSaran

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    Well done. Is it me or I find that Gooding has had a hard time getting good cars this year (I actually find this a problem with all the auction houses). Besides the NART spyder there is really nothing truly exceptional being offered. No 250 SWB. No Cal spider. No 250 TR. I think the really great stuff is being exchanged privately (apparantly a 250 GTO sold for $53m by private treaty).

    With prices so strong I would have expected the 'smart money' to be selling their cars and we would have a dream line up of cars.

    Perhaps we have a sellers strike? Owners not wanted to let go for the fear of never finding a good car in the future.
     
  5. 328dgtb

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    Do you know the estimate of the 250 GT Ellena in the RM sale?

    David
     
  6. Julius H.

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    Curious about that 500 TRC by Gooding
     
  7. Marcel Massini

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    The 500 TRC is 0690 MDTR and is fitted with a later V12 engine.

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  8. Marcel Massini

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    Disagree. Edmond, you don't have all the information yet. Just be a bit more Patient, please.
    Still more than 4 weeks to go. Bonhams, for example, just last night finally gave the ok to print the auction catalogue. And the RM catalogues will be sent out around the 2nd of August or thereafter.

    Marcel Massini
     
  9. BIRA

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    A 14 louvres TDF with race incl MM history is for me a more significant and certainly rarer car than a comp SWB. The last one sold at auction by RM had no race history at all, and the private sales of the last 2 ( not double counting the RM which was sold to the trade,)were rumored to be important sales, ie in the 8 figures.
     
  10. Marcel Massini

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    Incorrect.

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  11. Marcel Massini

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    Just a few side notes here: A steel bodied 250 SWB Berlinetta sold a few days ago privately for US$ 6'975'000. It was factory certified.

    And the owner of one of the very best 1961 SEFAC "Hot Rod" 250 SWB Alloy Berlinettas just turned down a private offer of US$ 15 Million. He doesn't need the money anyway and what else could he then buy?

    Marcel Massini
     
  12. miurasv

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    #12 miurasv, Jul 17, 2013
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    Thanks for letting us know, Marcel. How much are 250LM's now fetching or their owners turning down for them?
     
  13. Marcel Massini

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    One sold in December 2012 for $ 11 M. Another one just a few days ago for $ 12 M.

    Marcel Massini
     
  14. miurasv

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    Thank you, Marcel.
     
  15. Marcel Massini

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    A standard (non-14 louver) 250 GT Tour de France Berlinetta with a good and long period race history sold two weeks ago in Europe for GB Pounds £ 3'250'000 from one private owner to a private buyer in the UK.

    Marcel Massini
     
  16. ersatzS2

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    Bonhams, One of 3 LeMans Blower Bentleys, in same family ~50 years = pretty special IMHO

    The Birkin Bentley (private customer special) got ~$8M so one would think this will be big...
     
  17. ggjjr

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    Marcel,
    Are you expecting there to be a larger number of significant cars coming to auction in Monterey, this year, compared to past, due to the run-up in prices?

    George
     
  18. Marcel Massini

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    What's the definition of "significant"?

    Marcel Massini
     
  19. 360gtracer

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    Marcel,

    "1953 Ferrari 250 Europa Vignale Berlinetta" at Bonham's Quail Lodge auction is my Dad's old car (0313EU), yes? How did it become a "1953"? Paperwork from when Dad bought it in April 1958 lists it as a 1954. Perhaps the auction listing is just a typo. Will it be shown at FCA National-Road America and/or Pebble Beach before the auction?

    Regarding your statement, "And the owner of one of the very best 1961 SEFAC "Hot Rod" 250 SWB Alloy Berlinettas just turned down a private offer of US$ 15 Million." - that wouldn't be 2733GT, would it? Probably not, but I'm really curious as to where in the "very best" pecking order 2733 would fall.

    Thanks very much.

    George P.
     
  20. RWebber

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    Many put more faith in "Marcel certified" rather than Classiche...
    but that topic is for another thread
     
  21. Marcel Massini

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    The auction listing is NOT a typo. Once again, 0313 EU is a 1953, not a 1954. No matter what some U.S. title may say or not. We have been thru this before already. In USA, but not in other countries, cars built after August of the year automatically are considered next year's model, simply because of marketing and because the client naturally wants the "new year" model. The chassis of 0313 EU was completed on the 24th October 1953 already, the rear axle on the 20th November 1953, the gearbox on the 24th November 1953 and the engine on the 7th December 1953. 0313 EU is clearly a 1953 and certainly not a 1954.
    No, 0313 EU will not be shown at the FCA Nationals at Elkhart Lake and also not at Pebble Beach on the 18th August 2013. This is something the next owner can do.

    SWB: no, that wasn't 2733 GT.

    Marcel Massini
     
  22. mdsaxon

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    Thank You Mr. Massini
     
  23. HistoryBuff

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    I forgot, what are we striking for?
    But I will be there with my nose pressed against the window...
     
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