Montezemolo hits out at Ferrari | FerrariChat

Montezemolo hits out at Ferrari

Discussion in 'F1' started by intrepidcva11, Sep 4, 2020.

This site may earn a commission from merchant affiliate links, including eBay, Amazon, Skimlinks, and others.

  1. intrepidcva11

    intrepidcva11 F1 Rookie
    Rossa Subscribed

    Jan 12, 2009
    3,232
    Saratoga Springs NY
    Full Name:
    Seth
  2. Sig. Roma

    Sig. Roma Formula 3
    Owner Silver Subscribed

    Mar 11, 2007
    1,106
    Bella Italia
    Full Name:
    Dom T.
    No disrespect but he destroyed all they did by appointing the man now running Lamborghini.
     
    F2003-GA, jpalmito, ingegnere and 2 others like this.
  3. Etcetera

    Etcetera Two Time F1 World Champ
    Silver Subscribed

    Dec 7, 2003
    23,996
    Full Name:
    C6H14O5
    LMAO. he's not happy with how Ferrari have treated Vettel? LDM himself publicly shat all over Schumacher. This is also the same guy who actively dismantled one of the greatest teams in history.

    He's senile in his old age.
     
    F2003-GA, ingegnere, Bas and 2 others like this.
  4. ricksb

    ricksb F1 Veteran

    Apr 12, 2005
    9,975
    Montclair Village
    Full Name:
    B. Ricks
    “Dumbmenicali” certainly did the opposite of carrying momentum from the Schumacher/Todt/Brawn era
     
    F2003-GA and ingegnere like this.
  5. intrepidcva11

    intrepidcva11 F1 Rookie
    Rossa Subscribed

    Jan 12, 2009
    3,232
    Saratoga Springs NY
    Full Name:
    Seth
    here's the core of his point:

    The Italian believes that following his departure, the team was wrong to let Stefano Domenicali go, and subsequently James Allison, who went to Mercedes.
     
    pilotoCS and Bas like this.
  6. Sig. Roma

    Sig. Roma Formula 3
    Owner Silver Subscribed

    Mar 11, 2007
    1,106
    Bella Italia
    Full Name:
    Dom T.
    And whatever the Italian said about Ferrari, once he left, he ran Alitalia and had some involvement in Italo. Alitalia is still a disaster.
    Muy $0.02 on Domenicali, he is doing a better job running Lamborhini than he did on the F1 team. Allison was a loss, but obviously, Marchionne was the boss. And we know how those episodes play out.

    Biggest mistake made, breaking up the international direction of the team, and re-instating its "Italianess".
     
    F2003-GA likes this.
  7. william

    william Two Time F1 World Champ
    Silver Subscribed

    Jun 3, 2006
    27,691
    Very true.

    With insight, it's rather ironic the attempt to make Ferrari "more Italian", since now its headquarters are in the Netherlands, and its Chairman is an American !
     
    paulchua and Boomhauer like this.
  8. intrepidcva11

    intrepidcva11 F1 Rookie
    Rossa Subscribed

    Jan 12, 2009
    3,232
    Saratoga Springs NY
    Full Name:
    Seth
    Elkann was born in New York which gives him American citizenship. And is Italian by parenthood. But he was raised in Europe - primary school in Britain, thereafter in France and Italy. Though he's fluent in Italian, French, English and Portuguese one can hardly call him American. International, yes.

    Be that as it may, the accusation of deterioration by virtue of concentrating on Italian personnel may have merit.
     
    Bas likes this.
  9. jpalmito

    jpalmito F1 Veteran

    Jun 5, 2009
    8,273
    Le caylar (France)
    Full Name:
    mathieu Jeantet

    That’s a good point. Elkann is stateless. Its universalism pushes it not to feel what makes the specificity of Ferrari , that is to say a singular Italian history. I do not speak of the stupid policy of italicization of the frameworks but the will to group the best international competences to melt them in an Italian mold.
    Todt managed to do this.
    Elkann and Camilleri not because they frankly don't care.
     
  10. william

    william Two Time F1 World Champ
    Silver Subscribed

    Jun 3, 2006
    27,691
    John Elkan is the chairman of Ferrari and Fiat-Chrysler-Automobiles, plus Exor, the Agnelli family holding company, where he is both chairman and CEO.

    Exor owns only 27% of FCA and 23% of Ferrari, but has a higher share of the capitals in finance companies, banking, reinsurance, , and a huge media empire. Exor controls about 12 international newspapers (including the Financial Times), several magazines (The Economist), 3 radio stations, 4 TV channels, 1 web portal, plus an advertising agency.

    Exor is also involved in industry, agricultural equipment, tractors, and trucks, owning a portfolio of international companies like Case, New Holland, IVECO, etc … Juventus soccer club is also part of Exor.

    In 2019, Exor declared revenues of $144 billion in the Netherlands ; that easily dwarves anything FCA or Ferrari could bring. So I think Elkan concentrates mostly his activities in running Exor, the Agnelli family heirloom, more than FCA and Ferrari where he delegates power.
     
    greg328 and ferrariformulauno like this.
  11. Remy Zero

    Remy Zero Two Time F1 World Champ

    Apr 26, 2005
    23,476
    KL, Malaysia
    Full Name:
    MC Cool Breeze
    elkann and cami whatever his name is, is just obviously, using the name and milking as much money as possible. These guys and just business minded, nothing else. I heard the rumour of a Ferrari suv, i'm sure they have something to do with this nonsense as well.
     
  12. m5shiv

    m5shiv Formula 3
    BANNED

    Feb 25, 2013
    1,259
    SF Bay Area
    Full Name:
    Shiv
    There is no passione in Elkann for the Scuderia. And the sweater's destructive legacy is here in plain sight.
     
  13. Terra

    Terra F1 Rookie
    Rossa Subscribed

    Feb 16, 2004
    3,919
    Isn't his father French?
     
    william likes this.
  14. william

    william Two Time F1 World Champ
    Silver Subscribed

    Jun 3, 2006
    27,691

    SUVs will ensure the survival of most luxury and sportscar brands, so it's quite logical that Ferrari goes that way too, after Porsche, Lamborghini, Bentley, Roll-Royce, Aston-Martin, etc ...
     
  15. intrepidcva11

    intrepidcva11 F1 Rookie
    Rossa Subscribed

    Jan 12, 2009
    3,232
    Saratoga Springs NY
    Full Name:
    Seth
    Fair comment. He's got a lot on his plate as did his Grandpa Agnelli. That does not lessen his responsibility for the lot. And I believe that Elkann cares a lot about FIAT and Ferrari as did Grandpa.
     
    Manda racing likes this.
  16. pilotoCS

    pilotoCS F1 World Champ
    Silver Subscribed

    May 19, 2019
    13,388
    The Capital of The United States of America
    Full Name:
    Willis
    Maybe this point is just a side-show. But I do agree that Marchionne treated Montezemolo poorly. The root of that isn't F1. It's that Luca didn't like sweater boy's grand plan to float Ferrari and increase production while using the proceeds to find ways to sell more Jeeps.
     
    Senna1994 and william like this.
  17. Sig. Roma

    Sig. Roma Formula 3
    Owner Silver Subscribed

    Mar 11, 2007
    1,106
    Bella Italia
    Full Name:
    Dom T.
    With Ferrari's IPO, the share price was $65/share, and today's stock is trading at a fraction under $192/share. Ferrari's value wasn't recognized while it was in FCA. Its literally a no brainer to let the company go public. And the whole thrust now is a life style and luxury brand.
     
  18. TonyL

    TonyL F1 Rookie

    Sep 27, 2007
    4,202
    Norfolk - UK
    Full Name:
    Tony
    Very true, i guess the SF1000 could be classified as a utility vehicle as well :)
     
  19. jpalmito

    jpalmito F1 Veteran

    Jun 5, 2009
    8,273
    Le caylar (France)
    Full Name:
    mathieu Jeantet
    Exactly, but today this disconnect between the value of the company and the sports results is not healthy. If this continues, one will necessarily be impacted by the other.
     
    Senna1994 likes this.
  20. intrepidcva11

    intrepidcva11 F1 Rookie
    Rossa Subscribed

    Jan 12, 2009
    3,232
    Saratoga Springs NY
    Full Name:
    Seth
    my question: if the Commendatore had had the authority would he have approved the spin-off and public sale?

    Remember, there are benefits to being a public Company. And there are serious detriments.
     
  21. jpalmito

    jpalmito F1 Veteran

    Jun 5, 2009
    8,273
    Le caylar (France)
    Full Name:
    mathieu Jeantet
    Gianni Agnelli was a pure Italian.
    He felt this Brand deep in his gut.
    Elkann has no real homeland and he does not see this sports debacle as a national tragedy.
    That is the problem.
     
  22. pilotoCS

    pilotoCS F1 World Champ
    Silver Subscribed

    May 19, 2019
    13,388
    The Capital of The United States of America
    Full Name:
    Willis
    Most old Italian families I know hate to give up ANY control of the family business. However, in 1969 Enzo realized that if his company was to survive they needed a partner.
     
    Manda racing and william like this.
  23. william

    william Two Time F1 World Champ
    Silver Subscribed

    Jun 3, 2006
    27,691

    The Agnellis had helped Enzo Ferrari several times even before the sale to FIAT in 1969.
    They bailed him out a couple of times, and in 1955 gifted him the cars and the staff of the Scuderia Lancia .
    The negotiations with Ford in 1963 were motivated by real financial problems at Maranello.
     
  24. Mitch Alsup

    Mitch Alsup F1 Veteran

    Nov 4, 2003
    9,732
    And racing be damned.
     
    greg328 likes this.
  25. william

    william Two Time F1 World Champ
    Silver Subscribed

    Jun 3, 2006
    27,691
    I don't think they are his priorities, like the rest of Exor is.

    Elkan is apparently quite happy to see FCA merge with PSA (Peugeot), diminishing greatly his grand-father legacy.

    As for Ferrari, Exor doesn't have a controlling interest.
     

Share This Page