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Which direction is morality going?

  1. Morality is going UP

  2. Morality is going DOWN

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  1. F1Ace

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    #1 F1Ace, Jan 25, 2005
    Gentlemen:

    I just have one simple question (which I'm sure someone will complicate)
    is morality in general going up or going down?

    Wes
     
  2. matteo

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    #2 matteo, Jan 25, 2005
    Down. Due mostly in part to the Bravo network.
     
  3. wax

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    #3 wax, Jan 25, 2005
    Up. Hookers say "please" and "thank you" and have the decency to hide Gideon Bible.
     
  4. Steve Magnusson

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    #4 Steve Magnusson, Jan 25, 2005
    Same -- it's just that depraved acts get publicized more quickly and over a wider area (or do you really think the 1950s was like "Ozzie & Harriet" ;)).
     
  5. GrigioGuy

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    #5 GrigioGuy, Jan 25, 2005
    Kinda hard to say.

    There's more "wardrobe malfunctions" today than 40 years ago, but fewer lynchings and church bombings...
     
  6. MarkPDX

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    #6 MarkPDX, Jan 25, 2005
    Let's rephrase the question:

    Going down: A moral issue or common courtesy?
     
  7. Sempre_gilles

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    #7 Sempre_gilles, Jan 25, 2005
    Since the ancient Greeks and Romans were already complaining that morality was going down, imho there are two options:

    - Morality was extremely high back then
    - Morality is extremely low nowadays
     
  8. F1Ace

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    #8 F1Ace, Jan 25, 2005
    Well then let's say over the past 50 years.
     
  9. rob lay

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    #9 rob lay, Jan 25, 2005
    Humans have basically been humans since there have been humans. ;)

    I think social acceptability and tolerance goes in cycles. For example, the seventies or how about way back in the Roman times of mass food and sex orgies in public. Humans haven't evolved so much in thousands of years, but how much we repress or let free our predisposition varies. I can tell you my 90 year old grandparents try on the surface to make everyone think they are strict Christian 100% moral people. However, I know for a fact it is just their generation that places much worth in the "appearance" of being moral. In reality, they are far from it. I think most of that generation grew up in a culture of lies. Everyone had to meet the Life magazine template of a happy church going perfect family.

    Media has thrown much of our human nature out of the closet lately. However, I think there is a great effort from the religious right to put it back in the closet. Like I say, humans are humans and you can either put it in the closet and be fake or you can just be comfortable with being a human. Which church is going to be busted up next for sex scandals or misappropriating money? Or both at the same time? I think those that talk morals the most might be the ones with the most moral problems.
     
  10. UroTrash

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    #10 UroTrash, Jan 25, 2005
    Nothing new under the sun.

    Each generation thinks it's the first to discover debauchery.
     
  11. ferrari_jjc

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    #11 ferrari_jjc, Jan 25, 2005
    It just depends on what your moral standards are. Some people might say that the so called declining morality is just another manisfestation of people being liberated from traditional beliefs.
     
  12. jsa330

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    #12 jsa330, Jan 25, 2005
    How about making the question less black and white?

    The problem with comparing today with say 50 or 60 years or 400 years ago: often the legal or social consequences of certain behaviors were quite morally indefensible in themselves.

    What's morally worse, to have a live/let live attitude toward homosexuals or saw them in half vertically from the crotch up? Allowing people who wish to practice witchcraft, devil worship, or "pagan" rituals to do so as long as these things don't involve influencing children, harming persons or animals, or are not a cover for some criminal activity, or, send them to a medieval torture chamber and then burn them at the stake? Pubicly torturing and lynching a black man because he approached a white woman with "immoral" intentions, where a white man who did the same thing might get his face slapped?

    Maybe this is just complicating a very clear and logical question, maybe it's not. My opinion: provide a clear definition of what is "morality" before making it a yes or no proposition.
     
  13. FarmerDave

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    #13 FarmerDave, Jan 25, 2005
    Public perception of societal morality is a function of what's making headlines.
     
  14. F1Ace

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    #14 F1Ace, Jan 25, 2005
    True, but I think the question usually hits people on 3 levels:
    1-What is considered "wrong" in the past I choose as my benchmark.
    2-Is more of this "wrong" behavior occuring today than then.
    3-Is society less outraged, or more accepting of what "I" consider wrong.

    Therefor, people are free to answer this question as it suits them, and they have.
    Roughly 85% have said it's going down.

    Wes
     
  15. GTO84

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    #15 GTO84, Jan 25, 2005
    Has anyone been to a clothing department store, like Macy's, and seen the absolutlely whorish slut clothes that are being pushed on pre teens? Thongs? Mini micro skirts? Pants that say I love boys on the butt? WTF is going on ?
    Were all going to hell real fast.
     
  16. jsa330

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    #16 jsa330, Jan 25, 2005
    I'd be a total wreck if I had a teenage daughter.
     
  17. rob lay

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    #17 rob lay, Jan 25, 2005
    Those clothes wouldn't be all over the stores if crappy parents didn't let their kids buy it.
     
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    #18 UroTrash, Jan 25, 2005
    I have 3, soon to be 4....
     
  19. jsa330

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    #19 jsa330, Jan 25, 2005
    I truly feel for you. No kids myself, but have seen and am still seeing friends and relatives through raising theirs...
     
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    #20 134282, Jan 25, 2005
    Exactly... Living on Long Island, i saw quite a few promiscuous pre-teens and it was disgusting... Most parents let their children do just about anything and have the audacity to blame it on the schools or say that children have too much social/academic pressure these days... That's so chock full of bullsh!t, it's ridiculous... Parents dope their kids up on every medication they can get their hands on so they don't have to do any parenting... It disgusts me... Bearing children should definitely be a privilege and not a right...
     
  21. MarkPDX

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    #21 MarkPDX, Jan 25, 2005
    Puhleeeze..... Where do you think MILFS come from?
     
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    #22 134282, Jan 26, 2005
    Um... i don't get it...
     
  23. rob lay

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    #23 rob lay, Jan 26, 2005
    Mark is saying his mom bought him promiscuous clothes as a kid. :D
     
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    #24 Poweredbyme91, Jan 28, 2005
    As long as the hypocrisy of the ACLU agenda exists, the morality of this country will continue to fall.
     
  25. enjoythemusic

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    #25 enjoythemusic, Jan 28, 2005
    Hmm... i felt it was going down mostly due to SpikeTV car specials ;)
     
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