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More collectable? Exoto 156 or CMC 156???

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  1. ferrari4evr1

    ferrari4evr1 Formula 3

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    Just thought of this question. I thought i would see what FChat members thought. Ultimately it comes down to what you like because the models by both makers are very very close in detail!!
    The license to make Ferrari models was given to CMC and not to Exoto. So the CMC Ferrari 156 has the "Licensed by Ferrari" standing behind it. The CMC version is limited edition of 6000 pieces
    The upcoming Exoto is not Ferrari licensed, however their limited edition run is only 1961 pieces (smaller number then CMC)....
    Either way, i dont think you could go wrong with either piece because of the detail in both companies is astounding!!
     
  2. DMC308

    DMC308 F1 Rookie

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    They are 2 different scales as well.
     
  3. yogibear

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    ??...i thought that they are both 1/18th scale.....no?
     
  4. doyler

    doyler Formula Junior

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    #4 doyler, Nov 23, 2008
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    They are both 1:18 scale. While the Exoto is maybe a more limited run it wont say Ferrari on the box and that is why i would pick C.M.C..
    In fact i wonder will they have the Ferrari shields on the flanks or will they come loose and we have to afix them ourselves?
     
  5. Davpuxitri

    Davpuxitri Formula Junior

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    A 400$ piece of art without Ferrari badging? I will stick with the CMC one.
     
  6. nopassn

    nopassn Formula 3

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    Agreed... for four hundred dollars... it should come done (this is assuming it doesn't have badges, which I can't imagine it will)
     
  7. alfred tiegler

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    #7 alfred tiegler, Nov 23, 2008
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    Right now only CMC has a 156 available. Judgement on this question should be reserved if and until Exoto has something to compare. However, if past performance is a judge, and it sometimes is and other times is not, Exoto will be the more collectable. But if you are just dieing to have a 156, then CollectorStudio.com has the beautiful CMC version available right now. If you are the patient type, then wait to have a look at the Exoto and make your choice then. And try not to allow yourself or what's best for your own collection to be influenced by hype or derision based on conjecture- the best you can.
     
  8. lucky_13_2002

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    It never fails to amaze me how twisted everything gets here on F-chat. From current F1 events all the way down to models. Exoto produced all their 500 F2 models without the ferrari license and all the ones that should have badges, DO.
    I know what is going to happen when we finally get to hold both models in our hands. The CMC will have some more details here and there and the Exoto will look more period correct and authentic. Just like with the 500F2. And yes I do have both of them so I know.
    I have said this before and I'll say it again. What is the point of your collection? To enjoy it when you look at your models or just the bragging rights from a cool investment? I don't know anyone who keeps all his models in their boxes and then just sits and admires bunch of packages or takes his models out of the box to admire the box itself. Who gives a s#it if it says Ferrari on the box or not. What does that have to do with how collectible or not a model is? The only difference it can make is to some snob's ego who did not buy the model to enjoy it, but just to brag. And I doubt that even such a person would show the box.
    Just to show my point I am willing to buy any CMC Ferrari and trade it for an Exoto 312T2 with anyone who has a problem with Exoto's license issues. CMC's models are incredible, don't get me wrong. I have them all and I'll continue buying them. But do some research! All of their Ferrari models are readily available everywhere! At the same price as when they first came out or lower! Now someone please let me know PLEASE, where can I find Lauda's 312t, any of the 312t2, 312b without driver, Prost's 641 from Exoto, at a sensible price?
     
  9. ferrari4evr1

    ferrari4evr1 Formula 3

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    Lucky_13_2002, i see your point to a degree but this was just a simple question or thought if you will. This thread wasnt created to be taken in all seriousness. We do collect for our own benefits\reasons and enjoyment which is very true.... Sometimes its easy to misunderstand the points of threads on FChat or posts. But this was just a question that popped up, not something that i need (or others) to evaluate how i (or they) should collect Ferrari models.. :)
     
  10. doyler

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    Lucky 13, the question was asked and i answered to give my opinion!! There is no need to start insulting people! I am a collector of all things car related because i love cars. The first toy i got was a Corgi that i pushed around the floor for hours (before i could walk). I have been collecting for 25 years and I have all makes, C.M.C. ,Exoto,Minichamps,Auto Art, Hot Wheels, BBurago, Anson, Jouef etc etc. I buy a particular model because I love the real car and not for the bloody box!!! The main difference between Hot Wheels Elites and Super Elites is the box and i wouldnt dream of spending the extra money. So lighten up and let us do what we love ie buying models and talking about them and showing them off.
     
  11. lucky_13_2002

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    Ok guys, maybe I overreacted a little, or I just did not get the thread.............Or maybe both :) :) :) :)
    It just irks me when someone is already saying "hell, I'm not paying so and so for a model that I will have to do this and that to it" when all we know about the model, are a couple of pictures of two body panels and a half a$$ frame.
    Anyone can collect models for whatever reason they like. But the same thing happened with 500F2. There were all this people on here who were totally trashing Exoto because of maybe this and maybe that and who has rights to what.
    I don't really remember, but I probably also started with Corgi or actually most likely Polistill. And that is perfect example about what is collectible and why. There are millions of people out there collecting Corgi. Their models are not always accurate. Not always in scale. But they have that charm that somehow makes you want one. Then there is BBR who are considered the benchmark. Yet I don't think that they are that much more popular. At least in Europe they are not.
    To answer the question I will echo alfred tiegler and say that most likely Exoto's model is going to "age better".
    And people please buy models for what they are and not what it said on the box!
    I personally don't care if the box comes in rainbow colors with blue ovals on it, as long I get a model that sets a new level of detail in 1:18 and it costs as much as a resin 1:43 without much detail authorized by Ferrari.
    Forza
     
  12. eric t

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    #12 eric t, Nov 23, 2008
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    The Exoto 156 is originally a model made by Revival, an Italian firm that made this model over 20 years ago!
    The scale is 1/20. Model building technique has vastly improved since and it's not fair to compare this model
    with the new CMC 156! BTW; Revival is the resurrection of the former Casadio.
     
  13. doyler

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    #13 doyler, Nov 23, 2008
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    I was under the impression that Exoto were bringing out a new model of the 156 Sharknose in 1:18 scale. Am i wrong in this?
    See under Bigodinos post in the thread C.M.C. 156.
     
  14. alfred tiegler

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    The Exoto 156 is an all original, computer generated 1/18th scale model consisting of 1,400 separate parts. Exoto and Revival have a long standing freindship and Exoto sells their 1/20th kits for people who enjoy building.
     
  15. noelsairplanes

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    Alfred, just curious where you're getting your Exoto information? I was made to understand their is little information from the factory and no 156F1's have survived. Since Exoto has chosen to build another Ferrari model without proper licensing, whatever information Ferrari has would not be available to them anyway. Just curious since you seem to have an "inside line" to Exoto?
     
  16. alfred tiegler

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    #16 alfred tiegler, Nov 23, 2008
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    I dont know. Alistair Brookman makes a lovely 156. I think the technical data is around. ;-)
     
  17. noelsairplanes

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    Yes, Alistair Brookman did make a beautiful model of the 156F1. Like you, I assume there is some information or technical data around. You made the statement that the Exoto version would contain 1400 individual parts. That's the comment that caught my attention.
     
  18. alfred tiegler

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    It is common knowledge about the 1,400 parts on the Exoto. You must have just missed that memo somewhere along the line.
     
  19. alfred tiegler

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    But honestly, there is no Exoto yet, as Mr. Lucky said. If or when there is, we'll all be able to have a field day.
     
  20. litespeed1

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    As will I as I sit on the sidelines with my 1/20th scale REVIVAL ready to pounce on the best of the two new 156's in the larger scale!
     
  21. alfred tiegler

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    Love those Revivals. A dear old company, and they have wonderful subject matter. They are my favorite. cheers.
     
  22. Camoradi

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    There are close up photographs, chassis drawings, and period cutaway drawings, but none ever match in detail to give enough information for a definitive car. And of course no drawing will show how the engineers modified installations when the drawings wouldn't translate into bent metal and pipework. What tends to happen is that as soon as somebody creates a believable model everybody else copies that. The Brookman model may be the one that was copied in this case, but hopefully Exoto or CMC won't have copied the Chris Rea replica 156 as this is not an accurate reconstruction. There is talk of a fully authentic replica being built using an original engine and gearbox, so maybe they will upscale a CMC model as their template?

    Steve
     
  23. eric t

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    PLEASE, where can I find Lauda's 312t, any of the 312t2, 312b without driver, Prost's 641 from Exoto, at a sensible price?[/QUOTE]

    About a year ago I sold my 641 (Mansell),312B (Ikx) and 312T2. They all had minor flaws in their paintjobs like dustparticles under the
    paint or paint that was applied too thin so that the metal showed through the paint. Maybe just a matter of QC.
    I have yet to find a flaw in one of my 8 CMC models. Even my Kyosho 250 GTO costing about half the amount of what you would pay
    for an Exoto has a perfect paintjob. BTW, BBR costing even more than a CMC or Exoto has paintjob issues!
     
  24. GTE

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    Who do CMC and Exoto bring out the same model again (like the 500 F2)? Coincidence? And if Exoto doesn´t have a license, how is their product legal?
     
  25. noelsairplanes

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    Exoto shows total disregard for proper licensing. Nothing new for them since they've done this repeatedly! I'm not an attorney but heard that Ferrari did take some sort of legal action against them for the 500F2. On the other hand, companies like CMC and GMP show respect for doing things the proper way and go through the additional hassle to obtain permission from Ferrari and I give them credit for it. Some collectors just don't seem to care wether a product is produced with proper approval, I do and for that reason, I won't support a manufacter that doesn't. My compliments to both CMC and GMP for doing it right!
     

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