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More detailed info on hgte upgrades

Discussion in '612/599' started by Joe Mac, Mar 5, 2011.

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  1. Joe Mac

    Joe Mac Formula 3

    As many of you know, I recently traded my 458 back to the dealer for a 599GTB. While the 458 is the best performance mid-engined rocket, the looks and power of the 599 are incredible. I've read a bunch of posts from some of you regarding the HGTE retrofit and have done a lot of research on it myself. I finally settled on choice of a number of the upgrades and thought I'd share my findings.

    First, your dealer can provide you with a four page brochure from Ferrari SpA entitled "HGTE retrofit kit for 599". I'd attach it as a PDF but the powers that be on fchat have such pedestrian document size caps that I can't attach it.

    The upgrades are broken into 4 categories:

    Handling kit
    Performance kit
    Exhaust kit
    Aesthetic kit

    HANDLING KIT. This option includes more rigid springs and a thicker rear anti-roll bar. It also includes new calibration for the magnetorheological shocks. This calibration works to enhance the stiffness of the shock performance when you're using the sport or race settings on the manettino switch! This leads to better response time. The springs are 16% more rigid in the front and 10% more rigid in the back.

    The upgrade also includes lowering the car 10mm. All this helps to reduce the heave, pitch and roll and it gives the car faster turn in with less understeer effect. Even in the brief time I have owned the car, I notice this is a major issue with the GTB (maybe partially extenuated by my ownership of mostly mid engined ferraris).

    While the upgrades also includes the five spoke rims and wider front tires, I elected to skip this option because 1) I think the rims are ugly for the 599 and 2) my car was fitted with the 20" upgraded wheels and tires already.

    The retail price of this entire upgrade is $24,000 but without the rims and tires the retail is probably $12,000. I'm quoting retail because you should negotiate with your dealer for discounts.

    PERFORMANCE KIT. This kit cannot be installed on manual tranny cars. This upgrade includes a Ferrari ECU upgrade that reduces shifting down****fing time in sport or race by 20ms and 15ms during upshifting. Coming out of the dual clutch 458, this upgrade is a must for me. It also updates engine control mapping that enhances the rapid increase in revolutions across the wide engine use field.

    The performance kit can be done to include the exhaust upgrade or not. The exhaust is really nice looking. The sound is also enhanced. I think this is a necessity given the timid sound of the 599 GTB.

    The performance kit in conjunction with the handling kit apparently shave .6 of a second off the Fiorano track time for one lap. While that may not sound like a lot, the fiorano track isn't large so shaving more than a half a second is substantial in my opinion!

    The retail price of the performance kit with the exhaust is $15,000. The exhaust alone is $6,200.

    AESTHETIC KIT. This is a different grill and prancing horse.

    I did everything but the rims and the aesthetic kit. The work begins on Monday at Algar (my dealer) and it will be the first upgrade they performed. Should be a 20+ hour job and I expect to have it back for next weekend. I cannot wait!

    I will keep you all updated on progress
     
  2. Bounce

    Bounce Formula 3

    Nov 30, 2009
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    Patrick
    A lot of great and informative info there but I have a question, that means 45ms upshifts? what about the down shifts?
     
  3. Joe Mac

    Joe Mac Formula 3

    Patrick, they estimate that upshifting is improved from 100 ms to 85 ms. So roughly a 15 ms improvement in upshifts
     
  4. Bounce

    Bounce Formula 3

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    Thanks for the reply, it seems I got confused with the GTO!
     
  5. FJerry

    FJerry Formula Junior

    Dec 1, 2004
    933
    United States
    Great info Joe. Thank you. Couple of thoughts: I think you can't get the shift time reprogram on some 2007 and earlier cars (theres a VIN cut off). Stock exhaust- I know youre going for the upgrade, Im sure it sounds fantastic- but my dealer pulled the vacuum tubes so the flaps are always open and this is just my opinion but it sounds amazing. Also the 10mm lowering of the car really makes it look so much more the proper "supercar". 599 handling: you know Ive found once you get it to settle down, she really does handle, but its getting through the roll and lean that takes a moment and I bet with this upgrade that will be reduced. Congratulations. Id love to get your thoughts once its all done.
     
  6. Joe Mac

    Joe Mac Formula 3

    I will keep you guys Updated as it is completed. I'm expecting the handling aspects to be the most noticeable
     
  7. tazandjan

    tazandjan Three Time F1 World Champ
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    Jul 19, 2008
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    Terry H Phillips
    #7 tazandjan, Mar 5, 2011
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    Joe- You will lose 1/2" off the front wheels with the monolithic/Challenge wheels, which will tend to make the car understeer a bit more, but probably not enough to notice, especially with the same size tires.

    Look forward to hearing your impressions of the differences in handling and exhaust note.

    I always wondered if the GTO wheels would fit on the front. No problem on the rear. Those are good looking wheels and 1.5" wider in F and 0.5" wider in the rear than your monolithics. Hopefully somebody will try a set eventually.

    Taz
    Terry Phillips

    599/HGTE

    Five Spoke F 19”, R 20”, 5 X 114.3 mm
    Front 8J X 19 ET 43.5 mm, Rear 11J X 20 ET 63.8 mm
    Challenge Monolithic 20”, 5 X 114.3 mm
    Front 8J X 20 ET 43.5 mm, Rear 11J X 20 ET 63.8 mm
    HGTE Five Spoke 20”, 5 X 114 mm
    Front 8.5J X 20 ET 40 mm, Rear 11J X 20 ET 63.8 mm

    599 GTO

    Five V/Ten Spoke 20”, 5 X 114.3 mm
    Front 9.5J x 20” ET 38 mm, Rear 11.5J x 20” ET 63 mm
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  8. FJerry

    FJerry Formula Junior

    Dec 1, 2004
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    Thank you Terry. I find the front wheels with the HGTE suspension now have a pretty decent amount of negative camber and because of that they look like they could benefit from a spacer (though I dont like using spacers so I wouldnt use one). But the driving seems much improved.
     
  9. tazandjan

    tazandjan Three Time F1 World Champ
    Lifetime Rossa Owner

    Jul 19, 2008
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    Terry H Phillips
    Jerry- They should have done a 4 wheel suspension and ride height alignment when the kit was installed. If you have that much negative camber, tire wear will be badly affected. and the feel may be altered. Spacers will not affect camber much at all.

    Taz
    Terry phillips
     
  10. FJerry

    FJerry Formula Junior

    Dec 1, 2004
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    I checked my records and they did do those things. I'll look at this more carefully in the coming weeks.
     

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