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  1. Marcel Massini

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    #602 miurasv, May 2, 2020
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    3809GT (ex 3527GT) as was restored to its correct, early body configuration, as it deserved to be, by Ferrari Classiche a few years ago. It does now have a rear window with a cabin air vent that I can't see that it originally had, when numbered 3527GT at the 1962 Nurburgring, 1000 KM.

     
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    3809GT (ex 3527GT) did have a cabin air vent later as pictured below at the 1963 Nurburgring 1000 KM.

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    3527GT (3809GT during production) seen in the video below recently in its restored to original exterior (not interior) colour and fixtures.

    Just listen to the fantastic whirring sound of the starter motor and the engine starting up. I believe it is Tom Hill, Curator of the Rare Wheels Collection, which owns this wonderful 250 GTO, telling Lance Miller how to start it. :cool:

    I think the camera man is a tad over excited!!! :eek:

     
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    how can someone start the engine with gear inside and pushing the cluch?
    normal start engine in neutral
    and then idling so long also with gear inside and pushed clutch
     
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    #606 miurasv, May 3, 2020
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    By the sounds of the engine and how easily it started, the engine may have been already warm (ish). The ritual and art of how to start and warm up the engine, all the mechanicals including the drive train, of a GTO is described by Jess Pourret, who owned 3607GT for 20 years, in the link here.
     
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    I think so too.

    have read this: so starting without gear in.
    and the starting procedure in cold normaly is the same as warm - not start with gear in and pushed clutch. good would be to push clutch without gear in, so the starter only has to start the engine without rotating the shafts in the gearbox. when a gear is in during starting then the starter gives some power also to the gearbox because even the clutch is pushed the shafts in the gearbox turn a little.
     
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    Quite a thrill ride. The narration was provided by the irrepressible Kevin MacKay, a master Corvette restorer. Tom and Lance are great guys.
     
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    Hopefully not a repost.
    From Chinetti 's instagram.
    Unbelievable the accompanying text (especially the value in those days!):
    "GTO boys having fun with the $2.500,- #3387 their father owned in the late 60s for a short time before he sold it for $5.400,- because of missing comfort. Note the pop rivets fixed left front fender, the muscle car style side mirror and the Alfa TZ taillights of the red repainted GTO during it's Ohio days with Bernard Stayman. Asking prize now is $56mio with original Blue/white racing stripe Chinetti N.A.R.T. livery. No pop rivets on fender anymore . © Marc Stayman."
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    Followed by a second photo and text:
    "As the GTO boys post got so many likes - this is part 2: Their father is not grining or posing very happy on this pics with his third hand GTO toy he bought in 68 for just $2.500,-. #3387 had a tough but successfull racing life with Grossman/Gammino from Pacific to Bahamas between 62-65 and aside some damage and dents it was repainted red instead the blue/white stripe Chinetti N.A.R.T. livery. "It's too much a racing car" said Mr. Stayman and decided to sell it for $5.400,- in 1970 to get an 'affordable' and more comfortable 275 GTB/4. He fixed up and serviced the GTB and sold it in 75 for $14.750,-. He said that it was so much money that he felt a bit guilty about selling it for that price! © Marc Stayman"
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    #610 miurasv, May 4, 2020
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    3387GT was actually rebodied with a new Scaglietti body around 1964 after an accident at Daytona, which had all the features of a late 250 GTO, whereas it previously had the features of an early GTO, some of which were unique to it, being the 2nd one built, and one of the 2 factory development prototypes. It has now been restored to its configuration as at the 250 GTO's maiden race at Sebring, 1962, with the unique body features. See post by Chelle here.
     
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    Roger Penske and NART GTO s/n 3987
    Note the strange orange lights on the roof (obliged for racing at Le Mans).

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    Please, note the light placed in the middle airscope. Here s/n 3987 racing at Sebring in 1963.
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    s/n 3987 in the parking lot of Riverside, late 60's.
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    SM1 for Stephen Mitchell, Nevada license plate, with an ugly scratch on the latch of the rear spoiler (note the pretty rare orange-red De Tomaso Mangusta just a bit further)
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    Very interesting read about how Stephen Mitchell and footage of s/n 3987:
    http://emcpb.blogspot.com/2011/09/ferrari-gto-photos-from-larry-crane.html
     
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    Now, this is a real gem, a must see for any GTO-lover! Gorgeous times!
    Stephen Mitchell narrates footage shot by Peter Helm of Stephen's GTO at Willow Springs Raceway and in the canyons of Los Angeles.

     
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    There are two orange Mangustas in the background. That nerf bumper treatment on the 275 GTB is hideous. Great images thanks for posting.
     
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    Terrific!
     
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    And there is more interesting stuff about s/n 3987 and its former owner Stephen Mitchell.
    This a great read, with beautiful pictures!!!
    The article starts on page 15. it's called : "Owning a Ferrari 250 GTO at 19."
    Just click on "Read Now" which appears in the center of the page, you automatically get the right format.

    http://velocitamag.com.au/blog/2020/04/10/velocita-issue-02/
     
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    The 275 went to the dentist!
     
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    So not a bumper but an appliance;)
     
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    Mitchell's car has slightly flared fenders... how many GTOs had those?
     
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    #619 miurasv, May 5, 2020
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    I believe the lights were fitted to 3987 for Sebring, 1963. It did not race at Le Mans.
    The flared fenders were not original.
     
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    Thanks for the reply...who started banging out body panels with flares then? #4153 appears to have just the rear fenders flared.

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    #622 miurasv, May 6, 2020
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    I was referring to 3987 not having original fender flares. See first 2 pics here. Ralph Lauren has restored 3987 without flares.

    4153 at its first race, Le Mans 1963 has the flares. See pic below.

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    According to Pritchard's 250 GTO book it was sold on 2nd June, 1963 so I don't know if Ecurie Francorchamps flared the rear arches, or if done by the factory.

    A number of GTOs after 4153 seem to have the flared rear arches, but from what I can see, and without looking too deeply into it, 4115GT originally did not, although it has them now; 4219, which was said to have been sold earlier in February, '63 did not. 4399 with the original S1 body did not. See pic below:
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    Interestingly 4293 did not have the flares at Spa '63, but had them at Le Mans, '63 so if Ecurie Francorchamps added the flares and a few other mods to 4293 they may have added them to 4153??? Apparently the Regulations allowed for wider wheels? See pic of 4293 below at Spa '63:

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    Piper's 4491 did not seem to have the flares, but his earlier 3767 did. Then looking at other pictures of, for example 3869, some of the GTOs seem to have a slight flare or a lip. See pic below:
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    Looking at pictures of 4757, 5095 and 5111 they seem to have the flared rear arches. I can't find any rhyme or reason here, but I'm sure there are people here who can clarify if the Factory/Scaglietti produced them with no flare, a slight flare/lip or a fuller flare or if the flares were done outside of the Factory/Scaglietti.
     
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    ^^^ It was suggested in Keith Bluemel's 4153GT book that it would get a Classiche Red Book, instead of the White Book it had at that time, if the original engine, that was bought by the previous owner, was re - installed in the car. However, the fender flares would need to be removed also.
     
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    #625 miurasv, May 6, 2020
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    4153 couldn't have initially been sold on 2nd June, 1963 as it was at the Nurburgring 1000 KM on 19th May, 1963, as pictured above here but did not start.

    Anyway, Keith Bluemel states in his more recent book of just a few years ago, Ferrari 250 GTO The Autobiography of 4153GT that it was sold from the Factory to Pierre Dumay on the 28th December, 1962.
     

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