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  1. Marcel Massini

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  3. Thomas Magnum

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    I noticed that. Unfortunate oversight but still a great display and event. Sorry you couldn't be with us this year.
     
  4. Marcel Massini

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    Thank you for posting excellent pix.
    Much appreciated.

    Marcel Massini
     
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  5. DWR46

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    Marcel:

    Unfortunately, we had no control over what Ferrari said on the placard. That is probably what the factory thought it was!!
     
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  6. Marcel Massini

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    In previous years they did it right and even listed the serial number on each placard.

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  9. Thomas Magnum

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    Anybody see a Series 1 GTO during Car Week this year?
     
  10. GHG

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    What would the experts consider to be the best GTO in existence? In terms of provenance, racing history, originality, etc.

    I apologize if this has been answered before — I tried the search function to no avail.
     
  11. bitzman

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    What SN was the GTO series 2 shown at Pebble this year and also on the tour? Is it a Series I rebodied in period by Pininfarina as supposedly three of them ere?
     
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    Not sure what others here think but this one's pretty sweet


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    #811 miurasv, Aug 18, 2021
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    There were 2. Chassis numbers 5573 and 5575. 3 Series 2 250 GTOs were built in 1964. 5571 was the first.

    4 x Series 1 250 GTOs were rebodied by Scaglietti to the 1964 Series 2 design, not by Pininfarina, but to a Pininfarina design. Chassis numbers are 3413, 4091, RHD 4399 and 4675.

    Total 7 with the 1964 Series 2 250 GTO body.
     
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  15. Marcel Massini

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    A bit more precise:
    5573 GT was in the actual Concours d'Elégance at Pebble Beach. Class winner M-2. Race #1.
    5575 GT was NOT in the PB Concours but displayed at nearby Casa Ferrari. Race #24.
    Both of these are genuine S2 GTO's, the two last ones built (in terms of chassis number sequence) and have NOT been rebodied, neither by Pininfarina nor by anybody else. PF did not body or rebody any GTO.

    Marcel Massini
     
  16. DWR46

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    A new book,"GTO64" is about to be released. It is authored by Doug Nye and may be his best effort yet. It covers all seven GTO's with the GTO/64 bodywork. The book is amazing, and tells so much never before uncovered or understood information. Owners of the three original GTO/64's supported the publication and the results set new standards in research on these cars. I was honored to have a part in the project working with Doug by proofreading the work and offering further support by answering technical questions. I receive no funds from the book, so I have no dog in the fight, but there is so much new information in the book, that has never before been covered. Probably, for me, the best part is the people. Doug has uncovered so much new knowledge about the people who built, owned and drove the cars, so much I never knew or understood. Also, most of the photos have never been published before. Just wonderful. It should be available soon, not cheap, but you get what you pay for. Oh, by the way, Pininfarina DID NOT design the bodywork.
     
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    #814 miurasv, Aug 18, 2021
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    Series 2 1964 250 GTO.

    Interesting, Dyke. Who did design it?
     
  18. DWR46

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    Steve: That is why you need to buy the book!!
     
  19. Lusso123

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    The "GTO 64" book is available now. It was officially released/available and being sold as of this years Pebble Beach Concours. Copies were also being sold at that time, it was set to coincide with 5573 GT being shown (after fresh restoration) at Pebble.
     
  20. GHG

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    hell yeah
     
  21. readplays

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    Many people would say 4293GT.

    I find that there are a few great cars worthy of consideration, depending on what you're looking for when you say 'best'.
     
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    #819 miurasv, Aug 19, 2021
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    New and differing info from the new "GTO64" book then, Dyke.

    Several books with 250 GTO content, including by Doug Nye, state that Pininfarina, in conjunction with the Factory, designed the 1964 S2 GTO bodywork.

    Mike Parkes had a leading role in the testing, modification and development of the 1964 GTO.

    Also, from the Ferrari website.
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    Doug Nye has new information on this in the book. Pininfarina were sometimes given credit for cars they did not design, the series 2 GTO and 250LM being two of them. Dyke is giving good advice, the book is packed with incredible information shinning a light on the true talent involved.
     
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    #822 miurasv, Aug 27, 2021
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    The 250 LM has a body signed by Pininfarina, though the 250 GTO 64 does not.

    Kidston pic of 250 LM #6119.
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    Many sources (including Doug Nye) have stated that the 250 LM was designed by Pininfarina, which was a development of the 250 P, also designed by Pininfarina. Other sources state that the 250 P was designed by Ing. Forghieri and refined by PF. Same for the 250 LM with some sources stating that it was designed by the Factory and merely refined for road use by PF.

    It's a fact that the 250 LM and 250 GTO '64 share a number of design elements, including the roof/cabin area. The original 250 LM, chassis #5149, as shown at the Paris Salon in 1963, had a short roof with integrated spoiler, that the first GTO to be (re)bodied with the 64 GTO body, chassis #4399 also received, along with #4091 and #5571. Other 64 GTOs have either a 250 LM style short roof without the integrated spoiler or a long roof.

    Ing. Forghieri has stated that, with him, Edmondo Casoli at the Factory was mostly responsible for the design of the 64 GTO and that many solutions were analysed.

    Although the full story cannot be seen in the already released promotional info for the new Doug Nye 64 GTO book in the link here, so the full story and info should be read to get the full context and to ensure that there are no misunderstandings, it's stated that Edmondo Casoli at the Factory was responsible for a drawing of the 64 GTO, and also had input into the 250 LM that has been credited to Pininfarina, significantly the cabin/roof area that was transferred to the 64 GTO.
     
  25. christc

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    One question to the 250 Gto experts. What was originally delivered with the car in terms of tool roll and owners manual?
    - 250 outside plug tool roll?
    - 250 Gte manual and pouch as with the SWB?
    - nothing?
    Or Gto specific?

    Any input welcomed. Thanks a lot
    Christopher
     
  26. Edward 96GTS

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    if they were factory racecars they got nothing. the team had everything that was needed.
    most likely factory cars sold to customers, the cars got manuals and kit.
     
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  27. DWR46

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    The cars did get a toolkit. I do not know for certain if they received a manual. If they did it would have been a GTE manual.
     
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