5575 was not restored by Classiche.
Sounds like 3765 LM is going to get Classiche Certification as is? 3765 LM did not race in period at Le Mans 1962 number 7 with the 3 D vent nose with the currently fitted 3 litre 250 P 0796 TR engine and 5 speed GTO gearbox. Have the rules been changed and softened for this car? Read the 3765 LM story from Bacchelli & Villa, that they refer to as a one-of-a-kind Ferrari with a dual identity, in link here. The B&V piece also states that the last owner chose to preserve its period correct details. If that was the case it would still have the slot nose, or the nose as is with 4 litre tipo 163 comp. engine and 4 speed gearbox. Surely 3765 LM can't be Classiche Certified mixing mechanical/bodily details from both configurations or its referred to dual identity? Does anyone know anything more?
No one here is saying it did. The slot nose was not a 'spec'. It was a cleaning up of a repair. To review, 3765 started the 1962 24 Heures du Mans with its factory original 3D vent nose. That was its spec. In the first hour of the race, Parkes in the Ferrari and Hill in the Aston were in a drag race down the Mulsanne. Hill reached the hairpin first and Parkes went off into the sandbank (as per the famous photo) to avoid rear-ending Hill. Parkes then went to the trunk, retrieved the folding camp shovel that was part of the LM tool kit, and dug the beached car out. 3765 took a lot of sand to the radiator. When Parkes pitted, the SEFAC mechanics cut a hole where the 3D vent nose was (see also: 06885, 1965 24 LM) in an attempt to improve cooling. Still, 3765 had to retire from the race after 3 hours due to overheating as a direct result of the radiator taking in sand from the accident. After the race 3765 returned to Maranello/SEFAC to prepare for more races in 4-liter guise that season. At the competition department the repair was cleaned up and that is the origin of the slot nose. A repair. I got to see 3765 with the slot nose once, before the previous owner commissioned the restoration at Shelton Ferrari. It's an interesting footnote, but as has been discussed before, the previous owner chose to restore his car to a particular moment in time in its' history. Steve, as you'll recall, he acquired a correct 4-liter competition block through Paul P and then had Gianni Dienna build that engine to the LM-spec with 6 Webers. To reiterate, the previous owner drove the car post-restoration for a time with the 4-liter engine and then later the 3-liter (#0896). As per the RM auction history file, both engines went with the car. Presumably, the 4-liter motor was installed for the Classiche certification.
What is the relationship between ferrari of Beverly Hills and Bachelli & Villa? Which is the latter's website within the former's?
Just a few friendly replies, Dave. I didn't say that anyone here was saying this. Do you have any actual evidence of this or any pictures of the nose of 3765 having being ripped open like 275 GTB/C 06885 was at Le Mans 1965? I have never seen a picture of this. I may be wrong but if the nose was ripped open to aid cooling I believe there would be pictures of it as there are many pictures of 06885 with its nose rippped open at LM 65. There is only footage of 3765 that I have seen running with its nose intact and also coming into the pits overheating with the mechanics filling it with water and hosing the whole engine down. I have read that Parkes beached 3765 on the first lap, then dug it out with the shovel as has been famously pictured. I have never seen that the mechaincs cut a hole where the 3D vent nose was when it pitted. 3765 retired after 6 hours around 10 pm after overheating. Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login 3765 never raced in 4 litre guise after Le Mans 1962 AFAIK. As I have never seen that a hole was made where the 3D vents are/were I do not believe the slot nose was a repair or a clean up of a repair but it was a change to its spec and that was its spec with the 3 litre 250 P 0796 TR engine and 5 speed gearbox and supplied to Ferraro with the slot nose. Don't forget that 330 TRI LM 0808 had a slot nose as did the Dinos at LM 62. So the slot nose was a spec also used on other cars. Ferrari actually later sold 3765 to Mario Tosi with the slot nose painted yellow. If the slot nose was just a repair, Ferrari had a number of opportunities to correct it and restore it from the slot nose to the 3D nose vents before supplying to Ferraro after conversion to 250 GTO spec and selling to the US to Mario Tosi. I remember you saw the car but not if it then had the 4 litre engine fitted but could have. There was the Cavallino? article about it with one of the engines on a stand. I don't think a 4 speed gearbox had been installed or had been acquired for the car that has been documented anywhere in all the time since the conversion to 250 GTO or up until it was auctioned. I communicated with Mr P a few years ago about the 4 litre engine that was numbered with an internal number only?, but not a chassis number, but he (understandably) could not recall if the engine was dry sumped. The 4 litre engine sold with the car certainly has different cam covers to the 4 litre engine used on the car when raced at LM and the Ring.
Its pretty incredible the value of these cars. Not sure if Nick Mason still owns his. But if so he's owned it for a long time.
Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Photo credits: www.imcdb.org, and, revivaler.com . Possibly been seen by the 1000's, as not so difficult to find. Kindly correct me, no prob. And, once again, no, I have not read all 56 pages of this thread. If a 'certain gentleman' will scold me on this issue, he knows what he can do. And no, not trying to prove anything to anybody, only anecdotal small stories of my life. I would like to be perfectly clear, these may not represent necessarily the cut that was spoken about. To me, it looks like a cut not seen on any GTO, at least not by me, and have seen them all, since the day. A gent, requested the source of my having seen, the "CUT". All I have, are faint memories, but I saw what I saw. I saw a cut in the nose of said GTO, in an Italian magazine from a long, long time ago. Possibly Autosprint? What did it look like? That is the question, as I was very young then, and now much older, thus both eras of my life where memory plays tricks. Maybe at the factory? We went there many times, so always got the 'grand tour'. My dad would get car magazines of all sorts and all kinds for me, since I was 7 or so, there are 1000's since then, in musty boxes, in a basement in Rome. Kept them all until 1964. Still there. As I knew Mike Parkes, who took me for a 'spirited drive' ( read: scared me s...less) when in Maranello, visiting Mr. Ferrari with my father, I followed every possible story of Parkes' racing, as he was my boyhood hero. My father used to print these 'Riviste di Automobili' , amongst others in Rome, in his 'printing business', Rotocolor S.p.A., when we lived there. The name came from Rotocalco, still printing with lead strips, typed from molten lead, then put in a box. I used to play with lead all the time, potentially a cause of my state of mind. Not a known fact, my father and my uncle, were deeply involved in motorsports in Italy from 1950 until 1964. Clearly, amateurs with connections. No racing talent, but they survived. If I had only kept all the photos that Pininfarina would send over to publish. All with the blue stamp on the back, they were given to me by my father's secretary, once used, for my album. Precious photos, at least to me. Wish I had them. Regards, Alberto
That is not what the previous messages were referring to, Alberto, even though the pictures and story are welcome. A question arose whether the car had had damage to its original "3 D" front end in Le Mans (1962), and whether an improvised job by mechanics in the pitlane during that race had resulted in an improvised "cut" to the front of the car, which subsequently gave way to the properly fabricated front with the horizontal slat which is pictured at the Targa Florio (and later...). I would love to see the pictures of the "repair" at Le Mans, if anyone is able to share them. Not because I doubt that it happened (I don't), just because I'm curious to see what was done in the pitlane with the available tools.
