More Michelin BS

http://f1.racing-live.com/en/headlines/news/detail/050627184921.shtml

What a crock of crap Michelin is handing out stating that there simulations underestimated the stresses of turn 13!!!

Hey idiots you have 5 years of previous running there to base your data off of!!!, Or does Michelins design dept. take the heaps of data and it to smoke a fat one with.

 

And you've deisgned and manufactured exactly how many race tires?

 

How else would you expect them to cover their asses ? Beast is not paid to design tires but Michelin is paid a King's ransom to do just that and failed miserably on a circuit they have 5 years running on in F1.

They're even requesting to be able to test at Indy. Thanks in large part to them there may never again be a need. And Why? Bridgestone doesn't have to.

 

Take a step back and take the entire SEASON into perspective; everyone here berating Michelin for ONE fouled performance, was out to hanging everyone short of the pope due to Bridgestone's performance and all of a sudden everything's wrong w/ Michlelin? Whose won the last 8 races and what tires were they on?
Yeah, Michlelin got it wrong but you've gotta break eggs to make an omlette.

Ever heard of Firestone? Who tests at Indy? What tires do they run and who's the parent company? You don't think there's an upload of data there?

 

Guys, the track was diamond ground earlier this year for the first time in 10 years. Apparently the track was resurfaced and the people that did it did a crap job so they had the surface ground, the 5 years of data was totally useless. I'm sure firestone gave bridgestone a heads up, anyone who think they didn't is crazy.

 

Apples To oranges comparison. the F1 track has heavy braking in 2 areas each lap. While the Oval is a floor it and go track the only time they brake is going into the pits.

Any Data that Firestone could provide would be minimal in the design of an F1 tire since 1 the IRL tires are Slicks, and designed to go 60-80 miles. while the F1 tire had to go 200+ miles, take heavy brake and acceleration loading and groved in design.

Michelin had data of how much load is being applied to the tires thru turn 13 yet they admit that they did not factor how much loads were being applied to the tire. The final statement was "We did not sacrafice safety for performance."

Sounds like Michelin is giving a stiff middle finger salute to the FIA.

 

We will just have to wait and see how all this plays out day after tomorrow.

 

I for one am looking forward to it.

 

FWIW, Derek Daly during yesterday's Champ Car race said that some honcho there at Bridgestone told him specifically that there wasn't any feedback, no need for it, from Firestone IRL people to Bridgestone F1 people and that tire wear was actually LESS than before the surface was ground. So pick a different way to defend Michelin, folks.

 

And these are the smartest, richest people in the world?! Or just the most arrogant. People like to make fun of NASCAR. Regardless of what you think, they (according to someone who works for Indy) tested there twice, informing the track to regrind some areas. I am only repeating what a long time track veteran said.

What should you expect from people who eat bugs and snails smothered in sauce?

 

Oh great, now I'm hungry and its almost lunch time...

 

Michelin didn't know that the Indinaplous speed re-surfaced it's track.

 

It's their job to know.

 

You guys crack me up.

Seriously, if you're all so omnipotent, put in for a transfer and get to crackin' reading those crystal balls.

 

Wrong, the track was diamond-ground each of the last 3 years starting in 2003. IMS says that it used basically the same procedure each time.

 

The bottom line is that Bridgestone was prepared, Michelin wasn't. Michelin fouled up 7 teams. Bridgestone got its teams ready to race.

Now, if Michelin believed its tires were not safe, they had a legal and moral obligation to inform their teams. But, that doesn't excuse or explain Michelin's screw-up.

Mark

 

http://www.pitpass.com/fes_php/pitpass_news_item.php?fes_art_id=24969

That last sentence cracks me up. Clearly the problem is that Michelin did "sacrifice safety for performance", and Bridgestone didn't. I still don't understand why Michelin didn't have some safer back-up tyres with them - as they were supposed to.

 

Apparently you've missed the point in other threads in that Firestone indicated they used the same spec tire this year as last.

 

Michelin's smoke screen dept. at work again. With this statement and the upcomming hearing Michelin should just start grabbing the shovels and digging there own grave.

"The Michelin investigations have revealed that the loads exerted on the rear left tyre through Turn 13 at Indianapolis were far superior to the highest estimations of Michelin's engineers. This year, the situation through this corner turned out to be altered by the extreme combination of the speed, lateral acceleration and additional dynamic load. The tyres which Michelin took were therefore insufficiently adapted to the extreme conditions of Turn 13 in 2005.This was a problem."

Lets see the cars have reduced down force this year, and the track configuration has not changed since the 2000 race. On top of that Michelin has proving grounds and test tracks that they could quite easily build a banked corner to test upon.

They are so full of crap, "Lets create a political protest at Indy, the US fans wont care." was the only reason that Michelin had problems at Indy...

 

They changed the track shape in corner 13 after Ralphs wreck last year 2004.They added a longer stretch of safety wall that collapses and absorbs impact. This shifted the line that cars now take through that corner, since the wall sticks out further into the track.

Could this have something to do with it?

 

As far as I understand it, the only change they made to that turn was to extend the saftey barrier farther back, no alterations were made to the corner itself. The track resurfacing on the other hand might have been a factor.

 

If you watch the F1 cars going thru the turn they don't go all the way out to the wall like the Indy cars do so this has nothing to do with the configuration of the corner.

 

Not wrong, this was the first year in a decade they resurfaced first.