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Discussion in 'Vintage (thru 365 GTC4)' started by Bertocchi, Jan 14, 2006.

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  1. macca

    macca Formula Junior

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    Hey - there's 0846 second in the line!

    Paul M
     
  2. SupercarGuru

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    wow what a picture!
     
  3. Bertocchi

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  4. Bertocchi

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  5. Marcel Massini

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    #231 Marcel Massini, Feb 1, 2006
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    Here are three detailed shots I took of 002 C on 21 December 2002. The chassis number says 002 I. Note also stamping on steering box.
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  6. Napolis

    Napolis Three Time F1 World Champ
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    Marcel's photo's are of my car. The Williman car is not 002C.

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  7. Bertocchi

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    IMHO having a removable steering box cover with a number stamped on it does not validate the pedigree of a car. Jim Clark, Henry Austin Clark's son, did tell me that when 004C was at Dell's Auto Body that all kinds of parts were misplaced and switched. Just another piece of the puzzle.
     
  8. Napolis

    Napolis Three Time F1 World Champ
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    Not really as 02C is a different stamping than 002I and a totally different car which so far as I know no longer exists.
    (125 S not 159/166 SC)
    Was he claming that his car was somehow 125S 02C or that the steering box was from 02C?
     
  9. dretceterini

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    I thought the only chassis that Motto body was on was 002c. I didn't know that it also was placed on another chassis. I understand that now it is just sitting as a body. I would rather see it used (if it is still useable) on a replica chassis and with a period motor (are any out there?). It would clearly be a replica, and to me, a much better choice than turning yet another 250PF or GTE into another "GTO".
     
  10. Bertocchi

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    #236 Bertocchi, Feb 1, 2006
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    According to my notes, as of 2000 Williman was living in Prescot, AZ and listed himself as owning a "1947 Ferrari Tipo 125"? I only had one meeting with him. I have include two photos of the other Ferrari I saw that day. It was a big Lampredi car (375?) with a Boano/Ellena body. Don't know the number.
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  11. zwoemba

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    Wonderful car you have :) I think it's one of the very first made? Got some pics of the car, I'll send them if you want?

    Jeroen
     
  12. Napolis

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    Based on Tipo 125 I guess he was claiming that his car was built on the chassis of 02C. (Not 002C) What do other's think? I've heard of the claim that 01C's chassis was used again and restamped 010I (?) but I've not heard of this claim.

    I've heard that 02C was restamped 020I but I don't think that's it nor do I see it listed as having that body.

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  13. Napolis

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    020I 48
    166 S
    Date Result Event Driver # Reference
    48 - 02C was renumbered 020I, now featuring a full width body
    48/may/02 dnf Mille Miglia Franco Cortese/
    Adelmo Marchetti #10 Red Arrows p26, 196
    48 5th Aosta-San Bernardo hillclimb Franco Cortese
    49 - Cornacchia bought this as a rolling chassis in 49, body by Touring tipo Berlinetta
    49 1st Senigallia Cornacchia
    50/apr/23 dnf Mille Miglia Giovanni Rota/
    Luigi Toscano #713 Red Arrows p51, 206 "MI 146140"
    50 - two slots on bonnet
    51/apr/28-29 dnf Mille Miglia Giovanni Rota/ Luigi Toscano #351 Tipo 166 p16 Red Arrows p64, 210 "MI 146140"
    53 - E.J. Griffin, Roma, I
    55 - exported to California
    55 - Ernie McAfee, USA
    58 - A. Kleinberg jr., Seattle, WA, USA
    60 - Don Hampton, Palo Alto, CA, USA
    61 - Robert J. Lavezzi, SF, CA, USA
    67 - Henry I. Smith, Saratoga, CA, USA
    .. - restored by Stephen Griswold, Berkeley, CA, USA
    75/aug Pebble Beach Concours, Hans Tanner Trophy Henry I. Smith
    84/aug/25-26 18th Monterey Historic Races Henry I. Smith
    86/aug - Leo Keoshian, Palo Alto, CA, USA
    88 - displayed at Emilia-Romagna Concours d'Elegance, SF, CA, USA
    90 - ...............
    90/may/22 - NS - Brooks Monaco auction - highbid $710,280
    90/may - .............. (after sale)
    93/may/17 - ? - Brooks Monaco auction
    9. - Lorenzo Zambrano, Monterrey, MEX
    94/aug/24 3rd IC International Ferrari Concours, Monterey, class 2 Lorenzo Zambrano
    99/jun/19 - S - Christie's Petersen Museum Auction for $860K + buyer's prem
    99/jun/19 - Lawrence Auriana, Greenwich, CT, USA
     
  14. Jan Biekens

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    Yes Jeroen I'll like to see hem. Besides driving the cars my other passion it to know as much as possible about the history of them and that includes also pictures.
    Will you be at the Spa Ferrai Days 23-25 June ?

    Regards,

    Jan
     
  15. Kds

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    Thank you to everyone for posting their fabulous photographs.
     
  16. Miltonian

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    #242 Miltonian, Feb 1, 2006
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    Jan; Have you ever seen a copy of this advertisement for 0536MD? I found it today while looking through a stack of old magazines. This was in "Competition Press and Autoweek", December 12, 1970.
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  17. trkevin

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    Fabulous ad, I never saw this colour scheme on 0536 MD.

    Thanks for posting
     
  18. Jan Biekens

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    Fantastic Jeff. I have lots of info about the car but this ad is new for me.
    My dates were: 1965 Carl de Bickero and 1972 Dr. Hamilton Kelly.
    It's nice to see that the ad says: original engine. In fact it was John Middleton who in late 1957 installed a 500TR (131-48TR) engine which came from the 0644 MD TR 625LM which David Cunningham crashed at Danville on 27/10/57. You can also see it by the two little bubs on the hood which were made to install the 131 engine which has a slightly different angle.
    I never could trace the original engine.
     
  19. Bertocchi

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    Aristides Emboricos owns a 500 Mondial with a Scaglietti body. The car is sometimes in Connecticut but couls be in Europe as he has homes in both places. I last saw the in 1991-2. It was being maintained by the infamous Mssr. Sicard. Looks like the same car (without the stripe).
     
  20. Marcel Massini

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    Aristides Embiricos has 0444 MD, a 500 Mondial with PININ FARINA body, Series One. Still has it, since 1983.
    Marcel Massini
     
  21. Kalidengas

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    6000$ ??? I want J.Fox Delorean!
     
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  23. Napolis

    Napolis Three Time F1 World Champ
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    I wonder how they knew it had less than 5,000 miles? Perhaps they added up the race milage...

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