I think the photo came out of the R&T achives. I have a fair number of photos that date back to the mid-1950s and early 60s when an Italian (can't think of his name) was finiding things like Alfa 6c2500s and "etceterinis" for Manney, Harry Morrow and others at R&T to resell here in the US, and they have the same type of notations on the back. One of the photos I have is of the Alfa Tipo 412 (8c2900A/12C37 sportscar) with Vignale coachwork from the 1951 Mille Miglia. Asking price then (early 1960s) was $10,000. Henry Wessels turned it down. The car has long since disappeared (I WANT it!!!). There was actually a story in R&T (I'll have to try and find it) of the car being driven on the streets of Milan, and being serviced/stored at Volpini.
Tipo 412. Thus you are saying it is a 8c2900a chassis with a v12 GP derived motor ... from the last pre-war GP Alfas (or atleast pre 158/159 Alfetta times)!! Yeah I can see why you want that car!! Pete
Is this the Alfa in question? (from Road & Track, October 1951). I haven't been able to track down the article about driving it on the streets of Milan, but I'd like to see that! Image Unavailable, Please Login
Hi all, I believe the photo was taken at the Coppa della Consuma hillclimb in Tuscany in 1952 (July 6) with Renato Nocentini at the wheel - but I have found no proof so far... Regards, Michael Hundt
Offcourse I will Probably only on sunday I'll send you the pics tonight, I'm currently at school . Maybe we can meet then with Dirk de Jager So far the off-topic
I think the article on driving the car through the streets was circa 1953. My R&Ts are a mess, and it's going to take some time to find the article. Yes, that is the car. Depending on the source, there were 2, 3 or 4 Tipo 412 sports cars made. Fusi says four. Others say only two. I only am aware of two, S/N 412037 with motor 412151 (which is the car pictured above) and S/N 412038 with motor number unknown. The original coachwork looked like a 6c2500/256 Touring spider (of which I believe 19 Tipo 256s were built and 9 with the body type I'm thinking of); kind of like a more square 8c2900B MM. The 412s were built in circa 1938 from 8c2900A chassis with 12c37 4.5 liter V12s; sometimes with the blowers removed and sometimes with the blowers still there. There are a couple of threads on these cars on the Atlas F1 nostalga forum. The other Tipo 412 (the only one known to still exist) is in the Schlumpf museum, with a rather ugly body from circa 1952-53. The Vignale bodied car disappeared in the early 60s. It may have been scrapped and the mechanical parts used in the 12c37/16 GP car that was owned by Bill Noon at Symbolic. Rumors put the Vignale car in Argentina or Spain, but no one there in the Alfa community knows about it if it is in fact in either place.
I believe this one is Sebring 1960. Note the higher windscreen with the split in the middle. One side (drivers) is made of glass while the other is Plexi. Image Unavailable, Please Login
Hi David, You are correct. This is 250TR59/60 s/n 0774TR driven by Ginther/Daigh. This car would go on later that year to win the 24h Le Mans driven by Gendebien and Paul Frere. Now in the Chip Connor Collection. -Jarrett
another picture from this beautiful car ( don't know who's pics it is) Image Unavailable, Please Login
Jarrett, The car in the background is 0774 in 1984. I had it along side the Sebring winner from 1959 (0766?) which Joel Finn had just sold to Albert Obrist. Both cars ended up at Fantuzzis for makeovers in the late eighties prior to Fantuzzi retiring.I have many photos comparing the two side by side. I was very fortunate to work on #0774 while owned by the Pappalardo family and even bring it to Pebble Beach in 1993. Image Unavailable, Please Login
#0774 was restored in the early 70s by Kerry Payne at the Griswald shop. Pappalardo always thought the grille opening was too flat on top and when we put the two cars side by side he was correct. #0766 has two "grab handles" on either side, just behind the windscreen. I thought these were peculiar? I believe I saw this car pictured in a diffrent thread now belonging to Bruce McCaw?
Hi David, 0766TR belongs to John McCaw, last shown at Pebble Beach 2004. 0768TR, its sister, belongs to Bruce. Best -Jarrett
Oh man a bargain is right. I have NOT seen one for sale in a while. What is the going price for an LM now-a-days?
Real good 250 LM's, correct and with excellent provenance, no stories, no gaps, today are approx. US$ 5 M and up. A total of 32 was built. The three best are the one in the Indy museum (Le Mans 65 winner, ex-Chinetti), the one in the Schlumpf Museum in France (lowest mileage, extremely original, still with the original tires and original air!!) and the one owned by Pierre Bardinon in France (good provenance, very longtime ownership, very original). In 2005 alone four 250 LMs were sold: S/N 6217, 6025, 5907, 6105. Marcel Massini
Can anyone tell me which GTO this is, the year, and venue? Extra points for identifying the Porsche. Image Unavailable, Please Login
Bridgehampton FIA 400 kilometer race September 16 1962 #17 Bob Grossman in #3387GT finishing 2nd and #78 Porsche RS61 Millard Ripley/Charles Kurtz finishing 4th.
Don't you know where I can get a lot of information about old racing Porsches back from the '50 and '60 (including S/N) ? As I can see you havr got knowledge about it ...
