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  1. piloti

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    Hi Paul
    Are you talking here about the aeroplane photo? Are you sure that Collins is 2nd from left? The guy with glasses and fancy shoes?
    Nathan
     
  2. piloti

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  3. Manel Baró

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    The guy waving to the camera on top of the plane ladder looks J Behra
     
  4. F1tommy

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    #4829 F1tommy, Jul 10, 2009
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    Here is one for Ed Niles, the Minnesota ATS. I wonder if this is your old car?
    (It is really a Ferrari made by fired Ferrari people.)
    They only made around a dozen, 9 of wich were street versions like the cars pictured.
    I am trying to get the chassis number.

    Thanks to the Minnesota Ferrarichat members for posting these shots. It was shot at Wheels Of Italy
    last year in Minnesota. It looks like a great show.

    Tom Tanner/Ferrari Expo 2010-Chicago April 2010
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  5. Ed Niles

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    #4830 Ed Niles, Jul 10, 2009
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    The first pic is mine, taken at Sal's shop; Lyle Tanner's "speciale" 0407GT in front. My ATS was alleged to be the prototype, that originally had raised flanges on the front hood. It did not have the chrome strips on the front hood, so I doubt that they are the same car. Here's shot of the front of mine. (I later had one of the sports models).
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  6. macca

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    I think you're right, Nathan - the bloke 2nd from left looks a bit like Collins but it isn't him..........not in those co-respondents' shoes!

    The race-shop photo appears to be a Dino F1, with the engine angled so the driveline is left of the driver, which would make it '58 (it was angled the other way in '59 and '60) - Hawthorn's car?

    Paul M
     
  7. Crawler

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    #4832 Crawler, Jul 10, 2009
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    I'm certain that you're right, though I'm not sure about the change in engine orientation for '59. (I'm pretty sure that didn't occur until '60.) In any case, the '59 cars had 4 wheel disc brakes, whereas this 1958 car clearly has drums at the back.
     
  8. Jeff Kennedy

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    Ed,

    Curious as to how the ATS was to drive. I always did like the way they looked. Around 1995 I remember that Tom Matano, design director at Mazda North America, had one. Saw it when Jordan gave me a tour of the facility one weekend.

    Jeff
     
  9. F1tommy

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    Thanks for posting the ATS front shot. Sal's shop looks like it must have been
    great to visit on any given day. If you find any of the "GTS" shots I hope you post them(along with any other exotic car photos you took!!).

    Take care.

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  10. amenasce

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    Is that a yellow GTO beside the ATS ?
     
  11. Michiel Mobiel

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    Yes, like discussed before, it's 4757GT
     
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    #4837 rossocorsa65, Jul 11, 2009
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    Hi, I tooke this photo from the net many years ago. Copyright unknown.

    Nr.3 is Amon, Nr.4 maybe Ickx, Year 1968, GP ??

    Thanks,
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  13. dretceterini

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    No idea. Please do tell!
     
  14. piloti

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    As Macca has already posted - 1958, 246 F1
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    Holland, 1967 - Parkes in #4 and Hulme in a Brabham BT20.

    Paul M
     
  16. Crawler

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    Parkes is driving a '66 style car with the '67 "exhaust within the vee" engine. The race marked the debut of the Ford Cosworth DFV, where it won first time out in Clark's new Lotus 49. Hulme fought off a strong combined challenge from Amon and Parkes to hold onto third place.

    1. Clark (Lotus Ford)
    2. Brabham (Brabham Repco)
    3. Hulme (Brabham Repco)
    4. Amon (Ferrari)
    5. Parkes (Ferrari)
    6. Scarfiotti (Ferrari)
     
  17. Arjan

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    #3 Amon in 312/0003 and #4 Parkes in 312/0011.
     
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    #4844 Arjan, Jul 14, 2009
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    From left to right:
    Mino Amorotti, Soluri, Adelmo Marchetti (not sure), Romolo Tavoni, Pasquale Cassani, his brother?, Nello Ugolini, Mike Hawthorn, Gaetano Florini (behind unknown moustached gentlemen), and unknown.
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    #4845 Crawler, Jul 14, 2009
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    The stairway in the photo appears to bear the logo of TAP, the Portuguese national airline. Therefore, I'm going to make an educated guess that this is the team departing from the 1958 Portuguese GP in Oporto. Stirling Moss won in a Vanwall, and showed true sportsmanship when he intervened with the stewards on behalf of Mike Hawthorne who faced disqualification for allegedly reversing onto the circuit after a spin. Thanks to Moss, Hawthorne was able to retain his second place and subsequently win the 1958 WDC from Moss by a single point!
     
  21. Arjan

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    That could be right, but why are they carrying a KLM bag for a three hour flight?
    Forgot to metion Erio Fossati between Hawthorn and Florini.
     
  22. Crawler

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    I hadn't thought about that, but pretty much everybody carried "flight bags" in those days, and perhaps KLM was handing them out for free. I did wonder about the overcoats in Portugal in August, but perhaps they're raincoats.
     
  23. piloti

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    The place and date is the same conclusion that I came to.
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  24. piloti

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    Hi Arjan
    Well done with your identities.
    The stairway in the photo appears to bear the logo of TAP, the Portuguese national airline, but the airliner is Dutch, and KLM was the Dutch airline, so I guess the plane is KLM, hence the flight-bags.
    Nathan
     
  25. readplays

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    Nathan, Would it follow then that this is a KLM flight departing (Lisbon, Oporto, somewhere..) Portugal for the Netherlands?

    Best,
    Dave
     

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