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  1. ag512bbi

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    ^^^Nice! love the 2 photos like that.
     
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    Are you sure that this is the Admiral's car ?
     
  4. Admiral Goodwrench

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    Dear Seth,

    These photos are of 0564(0424)/MD, not of my car 0556(0446)/MD. The race number 8 was their number at the 12 Hours d'Hyeres, my car was #10 at that race. At the 1st Gran Prix of Venezuela my car as a factory entry driven by Schell and Castellotti wore #8 and that is the livery I chose to use when we did the conservation project.

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    I could also muddy the waters by using 0564(0574)(0424)/MD but that is an unsolvable riddle.

    Best regards,

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    Admiral, trust that you don't mind a post with a very old car that was built by two Scuderia Ferrari mechanics about 1935.
    The back half of the car was left in England and the front bit in the photo was shipped to NZ mid 1950's for spares for one of the two P3's that were racing there.
    All the bits were swapped for a P68 Ford less engine with Tom Wheatcroft around 1979.
    The tow car is nice to.


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    Cool, classic car photo!

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    That would be the car that contained the mortal remains of the sole surviving Bimotore, built by Scuderia Ferrari in 1935, later becoming more the Uno motore as the Multi Union special in the UK and finally losing most of the rest of the Alfa bits before its 1980/90s resurrection. We had some stunning stuff in NZ back in those days....Here's one that should be easy to work out...... A booby prize to the first correct pick
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    Tim,

    Has this got a Squalo or Super Squalo skeleton under it?

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    Right path, wrong answer buddy
     
  12. I16

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    Post # 10280 has a photo with the Scaglietti body replaced by Jack Morral's close copy of the Indianapolis 375 [larger air intake]
     
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    Hmmm. Going to be interesting to learn what lies beneath the surface, ;)
     
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    375 F1 #02 Hamilton Trophy New Zealand
     
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    Correct. The first picture showed the form it was in when rebodied by Scaglietti for Rosier, it was raced at Buenos Aires 1000km by Rosier/ Trintignant and well off the pace before finishing 7th and retained central seating position. It was sold to Ron Roycroft in the mid 1950s, rebodied by Jack Morall and raced often before passing to Ernie Nunn and Ferris de Joux who rebodied it as a 250GTO like car (see photo below) with parts and assistance by Ferrari. It later passed to Gavin Bain who set up NZs leading restoration business to restore it (and several other cars such as the 375 Plus #0392AM) in Blue. It passed to Giorgio Perfetti some 20 years ago.

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    How did Ferrari assist other than selling parts to a customer?
     
  17. I16

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    Incorrect photo Tim, that is the Pat Hoare Ferrari 256 [C 0007] with 3 litre Testa Rosa [E 0788] you have attached.
    Nothing to do with the 375 x Louis Rosier's Scuderia Auvergne x Roycroft car.
     
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    #10323 Timmmmmmmmmmy, May 1, 2018
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    In a lesson as to why one should never trust 3rd party sources, I simply followed what someone else had posted regarding the 375GP. Here's the story.
    Australasia/ Oceania was one of two places with a thriving (European winter/ Southern summer) race series in the 1950s (South America had the Temporada) and pre war Alfa Romeo and Maseratis were the main competition when several European teams started to bring cars and even star drivers (there was a fair bit of prize money on offer! and if you weren't a Kiwi you could sell the cars at the end of the season) with BRMs, Coopers and Maseratis all bringing out teams in the period. At least one Ferrari 125 was exported to Australia in period while the move to the D50/801 era freed up two ex works 500GP which were fitted with 3 litre engines for 500/625 for Tony Gaze (#5/#0480 with 750 Monza engine #0444) and Peter Whitehead (#3/#0482/ with 735S engine #5). The first of these stayed in Australia until passing to Bob Sutherland in the USA and later to the Donington Collection, the other was supposed to have gone to South America after Whitehead bought a newer Ferrari and sold it to Gonzales in South America, it later passed through Sutherland to Boswell in the UK.

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    Ferrari 500/625 #5 at Caversham 1960 Green, 4th and Donington collection

    The next set of cars were the 375GP for Ron Roycroft and two 555 Super Squalo/801s for Peter Whitehead and Reg Parnell. The first of these was supposedly the car Gonzales took the first WDC win for Ferrari at Silverstone in 1951 (although that was later proven by Doug Nye to be another example) and was later rebuilt as one of the Indy spec cars before sale to French semi pro Louis Rosier. 1952 and 1953 were the two years of the 2 litre formula and the European teams (esp. BRM wanted to continue racing so they founded various races for Formula Libre which died out once the 2 litre series got established). Rosier ran it a few times in various second tier Grand Prix before the Scaglietti rebody gave it a second life and sporadic competition began with an outing at the 1954 Buenos Aires 1000km where the now four year old car was way off the pace of the Jaguars, Astons and modern Ferrari, Trintignant/ Rosier finishing 10 laps off the pace of the winning 375MM.

    Rosier seems to have raced it for two more years before selling it to AJ Roycroft for his son to drive and after failing to finish in the CWF Hamilton Trophy in Christchurch he promptly sent it to Jack Morral who built a fairly convincing 375 Indy body for it. Unfortunately it had no vents and first time out at the NZ GP in early 1957 he lead against Brabham and McLaren in their 2.7 litre Coopers before heat exhaustion forced at least one stop and he faded to third, Brabham taking the win. This car was raced through 1960 with middling success despite the provision of cooling vents, it was then sold to Ernie Nunn, although he only actually took the engine, for his speedboat, leaving the chassis with Ferris de Joux who fitted a 250GT like body to it and Jaguar straight 6 (pictured below outside the Auckland Museum). Several years later it was sold to Gavin Bain who restored it to original using the remains of the original bodywork kept by Ron Roycroft before selling it to the Perfetti collection in 1992.


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    Ferrari 375GP (ex Rosier/ Roycroft) at Agadir in outside Auckland Museum and later at Ruapuna, south of Christchurch (1980s)

    The transfer of the Lancia works team of D50s in 1956 left Ferrari with several unloved and unsuccessful 553/555 chassis and two (555/1 and 555/2) were rebuilt for Reg Parnell (FL/9002) and Peter Whitehead (FL/9001) with 3421cc Tipo 129S engines from the current 857S/860 Monza series with 320bhp on tap. Against the 2.5 litre cars these had another 50+bhp and were successful, Parnell winning the 1957 NZ GP, Peter Whitehead winning another 4 races in NZ and Australia although neither were intended for export and Whiteheads example was sold to Tom Clark, Parnells to John McMillan, both in NZ. Whiteheads old car continued to race successfully with Clark and later with less success by Robert Smith until 1963 when he crashed it badly. The engine was removed and it passed to Len Southward and then Garth Souness who had the fabulous idea of fitting a Chev V8 and Morris Minor body to it before club racing the car.

    Gavin Bain bought the car (his first Ferrari GP) and restored it with the 860 Monza engine, although the 375MM #0370M was swapped for the 555 (sans engine) to Nigel Moore in the UK and it passed to both the Donnington/ Wheatcroft collection and the Hayashi museum before a Tony Merrick restoration with an original engine and sale at RM Monterey in '99 for $1.1 million. It has spent the last two decades in Quintano's collection in Spain. Parnells example passed to Arnold Glass, Arthur Griffiths and Des Kelly before a lengthy stint in Colin Giltraps museum on Australia's Gold Coast. This car is said to be in Bernie Ecclestones collection and while much of that has been sold off (Mercedes W125, Maserati 250F) there has been no word on the 555 Super Squalo.


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    The famous Morrari at Pukekohe in the 1960s

    The final two Ferrari GP sold to NZ were the 625A GP and the 246GP sold to Pat Hoare. He was supposedly very well connected with Enzo Ferrari (explained in David Mantons book Ferrari's Secret War which claims he saved eng. Colombo and others) and there must be some truth because these were the only two F1 car sold for racing in the 1958 - 1965 period. Hoare had raced a Maserati 4CLT/48 since '55 with limited success when Ferrari agreed to build a new car with an old 625A chassis, unique Tipo 137 250bhp 2735cc I4 engine, 555 type 5 speed manual and the unique bodywork which was from largely 625GP with a D50/801 tail. This car was given the number #0712 (engine number) and raced without success from early 1958 til early 1959 with engine issues causing struggles. This lead to Hoare appealing to Enzo and the FIA's law changes brought about some serendipity.

    The shift to 1.5 litre cars made the old front engined 2.5 litre 246/256 F1 cars instantly unusable and two other two were donated to museums for display in the Ford Museum (0003/0005 part of the negotiations no doubt) and Bisciaretti Museum (0005), while (0007) was sold to Hoare. #0007 was fitted with a 1960 Tipo 128LM 300bhp 3 litre V12 engine (#0788) before sale and export to Hoare and it is known by both numbers. Hoare raced his car with great success although the latest F1 cars were just that much quicker and by 1965 it was sent to McWhinnies to be rebodied ala GTO style. According to Mantons book this was achieved with some support from Maranello, and Enzo was said to be impressed although who knows how accurate that info was. The car passed to Logan Fow who eventually swapped it (for a new 512BB) with Neil Corner. Its most recent owner is Tony Smith, manager for Genesis & Pink Floyd.



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    625A #0712 at Timaru Hillclimb and nowadays at the Louwman Collection

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    #0007 with Hill at the wheel at the 1960 Italian GP (Archie Smith)

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    Ardmore 1961 (The Roaring Season/Gearbox Grinder)

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    "GTO"


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    Tony Smith racing #0007/0788 (VeloceToday)

    In summary the 7 cars were

    #5/010 - 375GP - Rosier - Roycroft - Bain - Perfetti collection
    #5/0480 - 500/625/750GP - Gaze - Donington Collection
    #3/0482 - 500/625/750GP - Whitehead - Gonzales - Sutherland - Boswell (UK)
    FL/9001 - 555/860GP - Parnell - Giltrap - Ecclestone (UK)
    FL/9002 - 555/860GP - Whitehead - Moores - Quintano (ES)
    #0712 - 500/625GP - Hoare - Moores - Louwman (NL)
    #0007/0788 - 246/250TR GP - Hoare - Fow - Corner - Smith (UK)

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    I saw 0870 & 0872 the last one is always in activity for the pleasure of many many people. For me one of F with the beautiful line
     
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