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Discussion in 'Vintage (thru 365 GTC4)' started by Bertocchi, Jan 14, 2006.

  1. Christian.Fr

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    #10502 mcimino, Jul 27, 2018
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    Appears to me the old grill wasn't box-shaped as it appears the reconversion, and there was a hood scoop, rather than that little center grill above the box. Also the the entire bonnet appears to have more of a rounded shape with the fenders blending into it on the original version, whereas the reconversion seems more slab sided with more rounded fender tops. And the bodywork under the grill looks to be revised. Very odd... it seems there isn't much right about it.
     
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    I agree, but as many differences on the conversion it seems shocking
     
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    The first and third pictures show the second spyder body, fitted to chassis 02/C. The Classiche is a reproduction of the first spyder as fitted to chassis 01/C. The big identifying feature that can be spotted in most photos is the number of slats in the vents either side of the radiator. Three in the first body, five in the second.
     
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    #10505 Marcel Massini, Jul 27, 2018
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    The replica was not made by the Classiche Dept (did not exist yet in 1987) but by Carrozzeria Dino Cognolato of Vigonza near Padova, Italy.
    It was finished in 1987 and first used for a movie with the then brand new F40. At this point it appears to have been temporarily powered by an Opel engine (for the movie driving). Later on it was re-engined.
    Here's a photo of chassis #90125 at Imola on the 4th October 1987, shortly after completion for the factory's 40th anniversary.

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    Didn't mean to be abrupt but got called away. The first picture shows the second body at Pescara in August 1947 where it ran as a 159S. Note the three open vents at the leading edge of the hood and the lack of any vent/cowl on the hood itself. At its next outing the middle one of the three vent openings had been filled and there was a long narrow bulge running the length of the hood. Engine had been changed and the car ran as a 125S. It is very difficult to see but the second picture maybe the car in this form, in which case it is probably Modena in September. The third picture shows the car in 1948, probably at Pescara. All three small openings have now gone and the hood bulge is flatter, wider and shorter. The car was now running as a 166S.
    If I am right in identifying the second photo then all of these photos show the second body, not the body of the very first 125S represented by the Classiche car shown in the colour picture.
    Hope that helps.
     
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    Point taken from Marcel. This is a lovely photo of the replica and to my eyes it is a very good likeness of that very first Ferrari body.
     
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    Interesting, though to my eye the back light conflicts, i.e. does not fit, with the traditional design of what we can see of the automobile from this viewpoint
     
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    This is 0423SA(0471SA), the first 410SA.
     
  11. Christian.Fr

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    I saw this reproduction car many times, the metal ball is one with 6 gears....
    Estupendo...
     
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    It always help! What about the first picture, the last car is the 815 Auto avio?
     
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    Yes Christian, it does look like the Auto Avio and that car is recorded as being at Pescara in 1947 as a non-finisher.
     
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    Interesting find but seriously strange video.

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    As big as a Queen fan as I am, I totally forgot about that video. GREAT find.
     
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    Wayne Sparling was chief mechanic for NART.
     
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    375+: I am not sure your statement is correct. I recall Wayne never worked for NART on a full time basis. He helped them when they came to Sebring and other Southern US races.
     
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    Chinetti's and NART's two top mechanics were Nereo Iori and Francois Sicard. Over thirty years ago Iori did the entire mechanical resto of my old 330/365GTC speciale. Nine years ago Francois was riding shotgun with Denise McCluggage driving her old 275NART Spyder on a rally from the Saratoga Auto Museum to the Lake George Club two cars back of my 412.
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    The picture of the 125 with scoop on the hood... it isnt a 125 its a 159 S
     
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    Dyke so was Wayne just a part time NART race mechanic and full time LCM employee? Thanks.
     
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    Steve: I only knew Wayne slightly, so others can answer this better than I, but i believe he had no full time relationship with any part of the Chinetti organization. Wayne lived in Florida, and was a mechanic in that area.
     
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    Michael Lynch would know, perhaps he can chime in?
     
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