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  1. TTR

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    Hmm, interesting.
    I wouldn’t had expected someone like P.B. needing/wanting to commission fakes, let alone sacrificing unusual/rare specimen for the process.
     
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  3. Marcel Massini

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    1968 to 1970 Carrozzeria Medardo Fantuzzi in Modena rebodied three cars into "Touring Barchetta look-a-likes", chassis 0176 ED (for Giambattista Zobbio and Corrado Cupellini), 0264 M (for Pierre Bardinon) and 0284 AM (for Piero Segafredo). The three owners shared the costs for the body buck.

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  4. TTR

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    Thank you for expanding. Like I said, interesting and somewhat surprising.
    I was just wondering, with P.B.s resources, why not just buy existing Touring Barchetta (or few) and leave 0264 M alone ?
    I can almost understand someone with means having a tool room copy of their own some super rare/valuable car(s) made from scratch, but sacrificing original cars to make fakes (a la GTE or PF Coupe to GTO or SWB, etc) is something I don't.
     
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    0264M was a Ferrari spider with a later nose built by Scaglietti.

    I still would not be sure what to do with such a car. Ferrari spider was an amateurish copy of a Vignale spider and I'm quite sure it was built only because all the coachbuilders had too much work in their hands at the time (early 1953). Having no choise Ferrari ended up building three clumsy-looking spider bodies themselves. Sergio Scaglietti said he was involved and seems not to have been really happy with the result. One of the three (a 735 Sport) was badly crashed by Ascari in Monza, this one (0264M) received a new nose and the third one (0272M) still survives (heavily customized in USA, but later restored).

    So it was not a very important or interesting car to begin with, and in 1968 there may have been a honest belief that an Italian artesan can build a 100% accurate copy of a 20-year-old design, so turning it into something it sort of could-have-should-have been, likely felt like the right thing to do. At the same time Fantuzzi was building an original style Testa Rossa body for ex-Askolin 0742TR. That explains how Bardinon got involved.
     
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  6. Marcel Massini

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    The new "250 TR pontoon fender" body for Pierre Bardinon's 0742 TR in 1969 was not built by Carrozzeria Medardo Fantuzzi but by Piero Drogo's Sport Cars in Modena. Different people and company.
    See also below.

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    I understand the lines regarding these are and have always been very blurred, but shouldn’t any comments, discussions or photos of cars like 0176 ED, 0264 M, 0284 AM or 0742 TR, etc be in “… Non-Period Rebodies”, even if they’ve been “returned” back to their original configuration with more recently recreated coach work, like 0202 A ?
    How different are fates of 0176 ED, 0264 M, 0284 AM, 0742 TR, etc.from any GTE or PF Coupe recreated/rebodied as a Cal Spider, GTO or SWB ?
    What about “cut” spiders or non-original “Comp. conversions” ?
    Just curious.
     
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  10. kare

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    Some sources say Fantuzzi, which is clearly a mistake. It is interesting that the car looked more correct at Bardinon's time. The nose must have been damaged and repaired sometime in 1980s or 1990s. It has been reworked since and now looks like it did in late in 1958.

    I think Lincoln/Keinänen must have had a mishap during the Nürburgring race and the car was probably fixed quickly in Sweden. Fred Geitel said that the weather during the 1000km-race was extremely hot and the tarmac got soft and started to undulate at the curves, making braking very difficult towards the end of the race.
     
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    I think it has been agreed that non-period rebodies are cars that have been later converted into something else. Cars that have been restored to more or less original specs, are not really so different from those that had large chunks of their bodies replaced due racing incidents and they should not be degraded just because of having a hard life.
     
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  14. Marcel Massini

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    0026 M was never in USA during 1951.
    You mean 0060 M raced by John Fitch at the 15 September 1951 Seneca Cup in Watkins Glen. That's where this pic was taken.

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    That was in May 2002.

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    Paris 75 number plate, photo taken in Reims region of France at a Champagne winery.
     
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    Artcurial promoted the car in 2011 with photos shared by David Guichard Rein, whose grand-father used to own 4129.
     
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    Pedro Rodriguez And 0810 before the start of the 24h of Le Mans 1964.
    Picture by my grandfather, sorry for the quality I should scan them some day!
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    Looks to me like it is one of the five Scaglietti bodied Series I 500 Mondials in chassis tipo 501.

    Best regards,

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    Is the steering RHD. Not a lot to go on.
     

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