More Pit Bull NONSENSE!!!

Shepards and other breeds were bred for herding.


Havent seen many in the Tri-State area herding. The prisons of the US are over populated. Does that mean humans were bred to be criminals?

CockerSpanials can bite just as fierce, but theyre smaller. If you cant kick a cocker's ass, then you got problems.

Greyhounds arent as common. Expensive to purchase and much much larger/expensive to maintain.

Do you own a dog?

 

Pit bulls and other powerful breeds are always going to be risky animals to keep as pets. The majority make great pets. It becomes a problem when one of these pets gets angry or becomes aggressive for some reason and the big problem of how to stop an animal that is very powerful before major injury or death occur. Most attacks seem to take extreme measures to stop the attack usually resulting in great harm or death to the dog. The people who raise these fighting dogs, throw them in with the dogs. No Mercy. Then again, fast cars and motorcycles kill plenty of people also.

 

Nobody's got a reason to keep a pit bull in their home. THIS is what you use on an unruly one...
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Abso ****ing lutely! Even if only one in 1000 goes berserk, would you want to take that chance with an animal so powerful?? I firmly believe that they have aggression in their genes and with a good loving home, most can over come it...some can't. If we say for a moment that ANY animal has a propensity toward aggression, would you rather have it be a cocker spaniel or an alligator?

 

What do you expect? Trashy people do trashy things, like raise trashy pets and children. Let's get rid of all the pit bulls. And while we're at it, let's get rid of all the fart can mufflers and wheel spinners. Because every time you see a high speed crash, either from racing or a police chase, the car has one or both of those. And then that should effectively solve that problem.

 

The only way to overcome this is to own 68 tigers. Fight fire with fire I say.

 

my neighbor has had 4 pit bulls throughout the years. i feel that they are great dogs. its all about how you raise them. now this is 4 seperate, so you could say that about "maybe only 1 in 1000" statement and i agree with that. but he got 4 little pusssies and they would be different if you were nasty to them. they were 2 male, 2 female so that would rule out anything about gender. its not like he breeds them and never had more than 2 at a time. also, they have 4 kids, 2 six-year-olds, a nine-year-old and a 17-year-old and none of the 4 dogs bothered the kids, nothing. his wife also had a small dog (not sure of breed) and that dog never got attacked or anything.
then i have another friend with a red nose pit bull and again a big punanny. so that is alot of pusssy pit bulls all in one circle of friends.

they get such a bad rap. i dont and never have owned one so i go by what i see and this is alot. german shepards also get a bad rep.
i had to put my german shepard down about a year ago and she was such a great dog as well. people act like they are bad as well. she was another pusssy dog. she had a nice deep bark that would scare the hell outta someone that is edgy about dogs anyway (like the mailman) or for example a theif would go somewhere else . but if you came in the house you would just get her to nudge you to pet her. and then they see that businesses (for example a junkyard) uses them as protection and they are aggressive showing those teeth, then police use the g.s. and they think thats because they are nasty but its because they are so smart and can be taught to be aggressive. this works out to be a good combo for the police.

now, if you have one that is inbred, left outside all the time, beaten, and neglected then of course the animal is going to have more of a chance to be violent. i dont care what it is. a chihuaua (sp?), a cocker spaniel, whatever. i cut through camden, nj to get to the bridge to get into philly and i saw this dog once in someone's back yard and it had a tire chained to his neck. now this is obvious, he want his neck strong for fighting reasons. now that **** dont fly with me. i had to say something and got into a nice argument with this guy (white guy yelling at someone in the middle of america's most violent cities, good move right) now the dog was there and it knew that i was pissed and he came over and defended his owner by barking at me through the fence and it looked like he was ready to go through it. i had NO problem with that whatsoever because he was defending his owner and that is what a good dog does. so i said to him " this dog is defending you and obviously loves you, how can you put him into that fighting situation? you obviously dont give 2 sh!ts about him" i tried to put that thought into the back of his head so maybe it would grow on him and give the dog a chance instead of dying a violent painful death.

most of the "violent" ones that you see on tv are in these conditions and alot of the times in urban areas. or ghettos with all crackheads and dirtball people. of course if you got scumbag people who are just jerkoffs and jerkoffs with/to their dogs then the dog is going to be more on edge and more likely to be aggressive. 90% of the time they shouldnt have a dog in the first place. (but the same can go for them, being raised in a ssh!thole with nothing and everything you want you get with a scheme or something) this is the same thing as the dogs being raised ssh!tty. its a vicious circle.


SORRY for any run-ons and my use of examples :haha: for the record i am not one of those crazy PETA members, i just have a strong opinion on a subject that someone really wouldnt understand unless they have hands-on experience. someone that reads something in the paper which is negative and never hears about the positives are naturally going to have an opinion and think what they hear. i just wanted to give you guys an idea of my experiences.

i'll shut up now

 

Jerseydriver,

Your neighbor is probably in a small minority of those who are lucky to have pit bulls that don't become vicious (sp?). Problem is that the dog may have been raised in a caring and loving environment but it's in the dog's "inner wiring" that causes them to change personalities. I've heard countless stories of these dogs that were brought up in good family surroundings yet one day turned on their owners. So, like I said in my last post, if an unruly pit ever threatens/hurts me or my family, it'll be munching on some lead.

 

Im very sick of seeing pitbull bashing posts and the media jumping on these stories. Anyone that has 68 of any living thing locked up in a cage is mentally sick and they are bound to be wild. All living things need love and attention. What do you think would happen if you raised 68 humans in your backyard in cages? That’s right it’s a very sick thing to think about, lets remember pitbulls are living creatures as well. The media loves anything with the word pitbull in it. My neighbor had over 30 cats living in his house, all wild and aggressive. The pound came and took them away.........guess what it never made the news. As far as the women being killed That’s very sad news. But at the same time a lot of things are potential dangerous if owned by the wrong person, but harmless it the right persons hands. Guns......cars...fireworks....etc. I own pitbulls and they are a perfect example of being raised in a healthy environment. Both came from city pounds with scares all over them. Both were very shy and did not trust humans at all in the beginning. Both over 80 pounds of solid muscle, yet have never had a problem with them being around my 14+ lab, brother mini hot dogs, neighbors children, and different customers daily.

 

bergxu ok thats tottally fine and in a way i agree to an extent

do you ever hear about other breeds that do the same thing? with the "inner-wiring"
or is it only pit bulls?

the reason i ask because i dont ever hear about any other breed. pitbulls are what the journalists and public want to hear about. thats my opinion, but it just seems like its the only breed that anyone wants to hear about.

i have heard bad things about rottweilers with that "inner wiring" stuff for years and then my aunt had an experience. now I have never had any experience with any rotweilers. i have never even been within 100 yards of one. so i have no experience with them at all.
Anyways, couple years back my aunt was living with her then-boyfriend for a while. probably about 2 years. before she moved in her boyfriend got a rottweiler puppy. so she moved in and the puppy was about 2 months old. skip to end. she moves out and gets most of her crap and wants to come back to get the last couple of small things. so she goes over and the dog is in the backyard going nuts barking like she was the mailman, she thought nothing of it, she has known this dog since birth and she was only out of the house for like 2 weeks. so she gets her **** and goes in the backyard to get something out of a shed and say bye to the dog and he went after her. knocked her down and tried to bite her, but she rolled around in a wrap-up position and his bite didnt puncture (she got lucky, if it was me....) so just as the dog goes for the seond bite her boyfriend well now ex-boyfriend got to her and got control over the dog. the dog wasnt enraged enough to go after the man but maybe the dog knew better. anyways moral of the story is she knew that dog long enough for him not to do that. what the hell was it thinking?
thats were i understand your "inner-workings" and agree to an extent
but i feel that the pitbull breed gets discriminated against because we only hear about bad things with pitbulls. again, this is just my opinion

there was this segem on the local news here a couple years bacl. it was called "big dogs" and had pictures behind the words of dogs looking like they were growling. the story was about pitbulls and rottweilers. saying the same stuff everyone else says "they are dangerous" doesnt seem like those dogs are really too big to me. i had a great dane he was big.

also to the guy with the gun, i am not saying anything your way i just like to be able to use a gun any way i can on the internet :wink:
the gun and the pitbull will both protect you great
but they have one thing in common, if you dont treat them right then your gonna have trouble.

 

ok another thing

why is it that they have to sit in a cage right now and suffer. they are on death-row. read the end of the story. they either have to go back to the owner (wtf?) or theyhave to go to a rescue-aid type place.
this is because the public is not allowed to adopt pitbulls (again wtf?)
i mean come on. if they are fighter dogs then maybe i would understand, but a run-of the-mill pitbull like my neighbors that wouldnt hurt a newborn chilld wrapped up in filet mignon? thats just not right.

so these poor dogs are waiting on a stay of execution. i dont think thats right

i really like the one in the picture, he looks black. thats how i know a pitbull to be, not a growling knock-an-old-lady-on-her-ass type dog

 

Not a dog nut, but I do find rationality great..... Chows and Labs hurt a lot of people, and and Rotts kill almost double the people pits do.

 

FACT: A gun in the home increases the risk of homicide of a household member by 3 times and the risk of suicide by 5 times compared to homes where no gun is present.

-Kellerman AL, Rivara FP, Somes G, et al. "Suicide in the Home in Relation to Gun Ownership." NEJM. 1992; 327(7):467-472)


In 1998, over 30,000 people died from gunshots in the U.S.
http://goodsforguns.org/nationalfacts/index.html


FACT: While handguns account for only one-third of all firearms owned in the United States, they account for more than two-thirds of all firearm-related deaths each year. A gun kept in the home is 22 times more likely to be used in a homicide, suicide or unintentional shooting than to be used in self-defense.

- Kellerman AL, Lee RK, Mercy JA, et al. "The Epidemiological Basis for the Prevention of Firearm Injuries." Annu. Rev. Public Health. 1991; 12:17-40

http://www.ichv.org/Statistics.htm

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In the US from 1979 to 1996, 304 people in the US died from dog attacks, including 30 in California.

http://www.dogbitelaw.com/PAGES/statistics.html
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Got anything else you'd like to spout off about? I'd love to see you take aim at a dog with your child's arm in it's mouth.. I'm guessing that the outcome would lump you in with the least favorable of those statistics.


-Chris

 

With all due respect, if a dog has *my* child's arm in its mouth, it's a dead dog biting. Even if I have to agonise and let my child get even more seriously maimed before getting a clear shot, that dog will be very dead.

And if it so happens that the child is dead, and it happened due to the dog owner's lack of supervision, the dog owner will end up dead too, by the next bullet(s). I don't care about prison or even death, if my child is gone I have no reason left to live.

There are some creatures that have no place living in close proximity to humans. I've really had enough of the retarded people asking "duh, so what about chihuahuas which are abused, they can get "violent" too". Give me an f'in break - I can take out a chihuahua with a good stamp of my foot. Rotters and pits are a completely different story.

Physical size, dentition, natural temperament (unpredictability of behavior) *are* important traits to consider when assessing suitability for domestication (especially in a community). Track record is also important and rotters and pits don't have a good track record in terms of the number of attacks they inflict on people and other animals. Very recently, an aquaintance on another board had his cousin's *beautiful*, *good natured*, *generally nonconfrontational* cat torn apart by the neighbor's Rottweiler.

Look, I love cats. That doesn't mean that I feel entitled to keep tigers or lions as pets in a crowded neigborhood. The same common sense should prevail in dog lovers - most breeds are fine, but some are just too darn dangerous to consider keeping where there are other people (especially young kids or old people) living in close proximity.

I realise (of course) that the "Pit/Rott lovers" are now going to subject me to a good deal of flaming for my frankly expressed views. I can live with all the Internet bluster and pseudo-statistical spin, as long as you don't bring your "pet" anywhere near me or my kid in real life.

 

This has to be the most reckless act that I've heard of in a long time. You bring in stray pitbulls that have been abused and put not only yourself at risk, but your customers and innocent neighborhood children!? Why? Just to prove that these dogs are "misunderstood?" Is this some sort of test to prove that all of the stories about Pits "snapping" are false? Absolutely unbelieveable. I hope that you don't have kids of your own.

 

Very well put.

 

Some of the posters here are disgraceful. Kill animals that you feel might have a propensity towards violence? Why don't we start with you instead? After all aren't we the most violent and dangerous animals on the entire planet?
I have had animals all my life, dogs are a product of their environment, furthermore there are more "nasty" little dogs attacking babies and children than pitbulls. Accusing Dan of being reckless and disrespecting him because you are too ignorant to know any better is not cool.

 

Exactly MY point. A handgun in the house is 1,000 times more dangerous than a neighbor having a Pit, yet it's perfectly ok to rationalize one and not the other?

You scare me.

 

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Apparently you need mental help as well. If you had the intelligence to have digested what was said in prior posts or had the mantal capacity to read a newspaper to read about some of the many fatal pit bull attacks, you would understand what my point was. However, that seems like it would be a stretch with you. Even if ALL dogs had a violent propensity that was random and unpredictable, would you want to be attacked by a pekanese or a dog with the biting power of a hyiena? There are countless cases where pit bulls snapped w/o any provacation that were brought up in a loving caring environment. Someone taking in an abused pitbull (which is the rationale that most "pro-pit bull people" use as to why these dogs ever do snap) and subjecting neighborhood kids to it shows complete and utter disregard for their safety.

 

About 8 years ago I adopted a Rott/Lab mix (although some call her a Rott, no mix) from a local shelter. I thought about various breeds, and grew up around several large dogs. Some friends of mine had already acquired two Rotts from the same shelter, therefore, I had some familiarity with them. I figured it was the time to finally take the jump.

In the time that I have owned this wonderful animal, I cannot even begin to express the amount of enjoyment she has brought myself and those around her. There has never been a single day that I regretted my decision. Was she abused? Probably, I was told by the woman at the shelter that she was dropped off by the local police who 'acquired' her from another party. Have I spent quality time her? Of course, in addition to years of obedience and agility classes.

I'm not here to say that one breed is better than the other. And I'm not here to say that whether or not a dog is 'good' or 'bad' is dependent upon the owner. I'm just one person who has had a wonderful companion for 8 years and she's a Rottweiler.

 

Chris,

My point is WHY THE F**K does anyone HAVE to get a pit bull, KNOWING they could be risking the safety of their family or others???? There are plenty of breeds of dog out there that have absolutely no negative reputation like pitts do. Have you ever heard of a Golden Retirever or a Yorkshire attacking its owner after years of living together? I don't think so, and neither have I. So as I said before, any pitbull threatening me or my family is going to be dining on a bullet. Additionally, I am trained in how to operate a firearm (helps when you've had elders who've served our country), and I'd be SURE I hit the dog. And by the way, my firearm is in no way accessible to anybody but me. And no, I have no remorse in killing a dog that is attacking either me or a loved one.

 

..and why does anyone keep a firearm in the house when it's statistically proven to be more dangerous than owning a pit bull? Oh wait, you're one of the responsible ones. I just assumed that every person who owned a gun was a raving lunatic hell-bent on destruction.

Pits have a pretty positive reputation, it just depends on believing what you see vs. what you read. If I was to gather up all of the gun-related death stories of say, the last 48 hours, I'd probably think that anyone willing to boast about his prowess with a fire-arm on the internet is probably a very bad person. But I don't. That's where our thought process differs.

I've seen all breeds go ape-sh*t at some time or another. My pit mix used to get picked on by a Golden Retriever at the dog park. You guys are jumping to conclusions without looking at the big picture.

C.

 

Ok, to put an end to this...

First off, I wasn't "boasting" about my prowess in operating a firearm. I was simply making the point that I am not careless about keeping something so dangerous in my house, as some idiots are. And yes, those people ought to have their right to bear arms revoked. So because I say that I am capable of properly using a firearm, you assume that I am a bad person? So do you think that those who serve and have served our country are bad people, just because they might make a statement that they are capable of operating a firearm properly and safely? If a vicious dog is attacking my son or daughter, what the hell do you think I am going to do? Let them maul my children to death? Try to fend the dog off myself first? Yes, maybe. But there is a high chance that if my firearm is nearby, I'll be going for it fast. Am I going to shoot the owner of the dog too, like some here say they would? Absolutely not! That is just a completely off base statement to make, and ridiculous at that, that anyone would even suggest doing such!

Either way, I still do not believe that a putbull is a wise choice in a dog. And by the way, what do you define as "picking on" when you say that Golden was picking on your pitt? Sniffing its butt? Because I can't imagine a Retriever doing any more "harm" than that.