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Discussion in 'Ferrari Discussion (not model specific)' started by amenasce, Nov 12, 2003.
Any story on this one?
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yes Jon Shirley formerly of Microsoft. Rossa user here, never posted.
That looks like my namesake Mario Bernardi's "Cavalleria" showroom in Switzerland, circa 2004...
NOT in Switzerland.
Bernardi is in Hann. Münden, northern Germany. He is a car dealer, not a collector.
I should've known, with the .de website! But yes, a dealer...
my bad, the size and layout of cars similar to Jon's, but second look certainly not his. here is Jon's.
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Does anyone know if Ralph Lauren has added a LaFerrari to his collection?
Yes, a black one, delivered 27 May 2015.
FERRARI 375 Plus 1954 #0398/TF
FERRARI 250 TR 1957 #0734/TR
FERRARI 250 TRI 1961 #0792/TR
FERRARI 250 GT SWB 1960 #2035 GT
FERRARI 250 GT SWB 1960 #2163 GT
FERRARI 250 GT SWB Spyder California 1960 #2167 GT
FERRARI 250 GTO 1962 #3987 GT
FERRARI 250 LM 1965 #6321
FERRARI 365 P2 1965 #0826
FERRARI 275 Spyder NART 1967 #10219
FERRARI 365 GTS/4 1971 #16499
FERRARI 365 GTS/4 1973 #17063
FERRARI 288 GTO 1984 #52739
FERRARI F40 1991 #88706
FERRARI F50 1997 #104798
FERRARI ENZO 2003 # ?
BUGATTI TYPE 57 SC ATLANTIC #57591
BUGATTI TYPE 57 SC Cabriolet Gangloff 1937 #57563
BUGATTI TYPE 59 #59122
ALFA ROMEO 2300 MONZA #2111043 : Moteur 2.6 l comme celle de la Scuderia Ferrari, 4 ème aux Mille Miglia 1934 et 3 ème aux Mille Miglia 1935.
ALFA ROMEO 8C 2900 B "Spyder Gran Lusso" Touring 1932 #412019
MASERATI 250 F Tipo 3 ou "Piccolo" 1957 #2533
MERCEDES-BENZ SSK ex-Comte Carlo Felice Trossi carrosserie Saoutchik 1930 #36038, moteur 7.1 litres : #77644
MERCEDES-BENZ 300 SL "Flügeltüren" 1955 #5500386
MERCEDES-BENZ 300 SL Roadster 1958 #8500208
PORSCHE 550 RS 1955 #5500061
PORSCHE 718 RSK 1958 #718009
BENTLEY 4.5 Litres Compresseur 1930 #HR3976 : 2 ème du GP de France à Pau en 1930 avec Tim Birkin.
JAGUAR TYPE D 1955 #XKD601
Thanks for responding. Does anyone know which cars Ralph Lauren has added to this list, in addition to the Black LaFerrari? I believe I've seen him photographed driving a 360 or 430.
The Maserati 250F was sold some time ago.
It seems RL sold his D-type at Pebble Beach unless I'm mixing up my numbers.
Dave, the car sold at RM Sotheby's was the '56 Le Mans-winning (Flockhart/Sanderson, Ecurie Ecosse) chassis XKD 501. RL's car is chassis XKD 601.
Thanks El Wayne. Looks like there's a typo in the list above in that case.
Nope, no typo. The list correctly shows RL's car as "#XKD601". You must be reading it wrong for some reason.
I actually copied the list from the beginning of this thread, many years ago.
Agreed. I googled it last night and for whatever reason the first "601" hit I got was the RM car, which as you've stated is in fact 501.
Thanks for the info.
RL never owned 2163 GT.
And the 288 GTO was sold in 2003 already.
You may also want to add the F355 Spider, the 360 Spider, the F430 Scuderia, the 16M Spider, the F430 Spider, the 458 Italia, the 599 GTO, etc., several of these have been sold in the past few years, the 599 GTO in February 2011 already.
It's interesting to trace this stuff back and see how misinformation spreads.
In late summer/early fall of 1985, Dan Margulies sold or brokered the sale of 2163 GT. (It had previously belonged to Roy Pearse.) The car went to Italy, but for whatever reason, Stan Nowak was under the mistaken impression that RL was the buyer. Of course, Stan shared this information with fellow enhtusiasts and chassis number archivists, who then jotted it down in their notebooks - where it became "historic fact".
With the emergence of email and the internet over a decade later, this misinformation was widely disseminated and accepted, despite the fact that the car continued to make regular public appearances in Europe, under the names of people who were not RL. In fact, even after all of this time, one can still find online references to RL's supposed ownership of 2163 GT.
Which is bizarre because, as John Barnes told me after the fact, Stan was instrumental in finding the Ferrari portion of the collection for RL.
And that's absolutely true! Stan would even personally inspect the cars for RL. Why he was wrong in this case, I just don't know.
I suppose RL may have shown interest, or Stan may have even made a deal on RL's behalf, told the others RL was buying the car, and then the deal never materialized for whatever reason. Of course, this is purely speculation. Marcel was active at the time and has had personal contact with RL since, so perhaps he knows more.
Interesting. Whereas, many Ferrari enthusiasts seem to have a passion for just the vintage classics, while others may love the modern cars, Ralph Lauren seems to have a real passion for all eras.
This is most probably a rather simple error, a mix up of numbers between 2163 GT (SWB Berlinetta) and 2167 GT (SWB California Spider). RL did purchase the 250 GT SWB California Spider 2167 GT in Italy, from Emilianauto S.p.A., a dealer located at Casalecchio di Reno (Bologna), via Stan Nowak, on 31 July 1985, and paid US$ 220'000 at the time.
That same summer (July 1985) 250 SWB Berlinetta 2163 GT was sold by Nowak's friend Dan Margulies (a Romanian born pioneer car dealer in London) to Stefano Durelli in Padova, Italy.
Thats one of the many things I appreciate about the person I think he is.
It wasn't RL's car. It was a friend of mines car, who still has an amazing collection.