Motorcyclists: Menacing Retards?

C'est la vie.


-DC

 

Yeah ... get over it. And because one racer rider was an idiot doesn't mean they all are. No I don't own one. You just sounded stupid. Probably because you're still super pissed ... lol
edit - I'd love to hear his point of view too. "that f*ckin dumb*uck took half of my lane to pull out of his parking, good thing I was awake!". LMAO

Bad drivers/riders everywhere. As long as I don't smash in anyone, I'm fine.

 

luke,

i uderstand what you are saying. i am a cyclist and a motorcyclist and i am constantly looking at so many *******s that give me a bad name.

pcb

 

I agree with you to some extent. I have a crotch rocket and we do get a bad reputation because of all the idiots flying down the highways, running from cops, lane splitting, just riding like morons. I try to avoid highways when I ride and mainly congested areas. Plus I ride with common sense. Not all of us are *******s.

 

Were you pulling out of a parking lot or was the biker? Since you say he was pulling a stunt and going fast I'll assume you were pulling out of the parking lot. You need to make sure the lanes are clear before you pull out. You are the party at fault in this situation, not the biker.

 

Note rider met both these conditions before he met side of car:

a) going way too fast, and

b) pulling a wheelie.

 

So? If the person in the car didn't check the traffic and pulls out in front of the bike, the driver of that car is still at fault. Considering I've got flat spots on my tires from idiots who do this at the hotel and the In-n-Out burger between me and the freeway I'm rather sensitive to this particular kind of idiotic driving.

 

The biker shouldnt have been doing that.

Theres 2 sides to every story.

Broad generalizations suck.

The end.

 

Obviously, karmavore will hopefully describe the Parking Lot Exit & circumstances in greater detail.

This particular Motorcyclist's display of speed and derring-do in an urban setting won't score brownie points with those who determine fault, though.

 

Hypothetical:
I'm in my car doing 60 in a 30 and you pull out in front of me. Who's fault is it?

The driver who pulled out in front of me did just that, make no mistake. But were I doing the speed limit, would the accident have occured?

 

I kind of understand your anger. However, not all of us sportbike riders ride like that. But there are many. A couple of weeks ago I was riding with my friend in his Ferrari 355 when this guy flies past us on his sportbike, with a girl on the back, popping wheelies, not wearing proper gear (only helmets), waving us on to race him. The girl on the back looked like she was hanging on for her life, and probably was. These situations happen way too often and give the rest of us riders a really bad name.

 

I can't stand bicyclists that drive in traffic with cars. To me, they're asking to get run over. Ride on a sidewalk, or don't ride in rush hour traffic! WHAT ARE YOU DOING!

 

So how were they breaking the law? You are supposed to enter the street when it is safe. Not before.

Satistically most car/motocycle accidents are the fault of the car driver...most of those occur when the car turns left in front of a motorcycle. That's what happened to me in my only major bike riding incident. And the ******* left me and my girlfriend laying in the street.

There are weenies driving every form of transportation. As many kids in Hondas on nitros pull stupid crap. I've pulled stupid crap.

I'm more worried about people on cell phones.

 

Let's not get too sanctimonious. If you have to plan for every possible contingency, no matter how remote, then nobody could ever merge into traffic. Everybody has to merge into gaps in traffic, and when you do, you perform calculations as to the length of a gap, the speed of traffic, the time it will take you to merge and get up to speed, etc. If I am preparing to turn out onto a street, and there is a gap of X length in traffic, and I know that I will be out and merged into traffic within X distance, I should not have to worry that someone will illegally accelerate to double the speed limit and close up that X-length gap right when I pull out.

Also--let's be honest here--everyone sometimes merges into traffic assuming that the guy coming down the street will slow down to let him in.

Although I don't have a real clear view of what happened here, it sounds like the bike (a) accelerated so fast that a gap in traffic that karmavore had counted on disappeared, and (b) was moving so fast that when karmavore pulled into what should have been a gap in traffic, he couldn't brake to avoid hitting the car. If that was the case, I would place the blame on the biker.

 

He didn't need to see you.....he was in the lane. But his negligence was at fault too.

I will assume you have driven twice the speed limit once or twice. I have. Ya both blew it. Having said that...there are old bikers, there are crazy bikers, but very few crazy old bikers.

 

p.s. - not trying to bust your nuts Luke...aggressive drivers of any sort really get to me too. Sadly they don't take into account physically challenged, the distracted, and the very elderly that don't have 19 yr old reflexes and response times.

The other guy is probably on another chat page *****ing about the other side of it the story as we type.

 

My $0.03,

I'm a motorcyclist. First and foremost. I've put an average of roughly 25K miles per year under my belt for the last 8 years. I live in the NYC area (only recently moved to NYC, previously was in Jersey) and use my motorcycles for commuting, grocery shopping, runs to Target, Home Depot, Costco ... you get the picture. Oh, and I do this in the summer, when it's raining, and when there's 3 inches of snow on the ground.

Let me start by saying that sport bikes are the safest motorcycles on the road. Just as a Ferrari is one of the safest cars on the road, so is a "crotch rocket". That Ferrari has better tires, better brakes, better steering response, and better handlig to help it AVOID (key word there) accidents better than Johnny Dumbphuck in his Escalade rolling on 26" rims. I've had 3 Honda CBR929s and I felt safer by far on them than I do on my Valkyrie, my K1200LT, and my (now gone) VFR. I also felt safer on them than I have in any 4-wheeled vehicle I've been in.

Now, here's a story. Back in May of 2000. I was on Route 3 in Jersey heading towards the Lincoln tunnel around 8AM on my way to work. I was in the right lane (3 lanes wide in each direction) traveling the same speed as the general flow of traffic. Then the Explorer in the middle lane, about half a car length in front of me, smashes his brakes for no aparent reason. My instinctive reaction, albeit wrong, was to swivel my head and look as he flew past me .... so I missed the older woman in the Camry doing 35 mph trying to make the exit ramp that caused him to panic in the first place. It took me a split second to realize I was toast and managed to avoid smashing my body into her car. I slid for over half a football field and walked off without a scratch (was wearing Aerostich, Alpinestar boots and gloves, and a helmet of course), but when the office came on the scene, he noticed a "crotch rocket" jammed under a Camry with a sweet old lady still sitting in it, and a 20-something kid dressed in black sitting on the grass. He walked up to me and said, without asking if I was alright, asking if I needed medical attention, or asking if anyone else was on the motorcycle .... "Ok, what did you do?".

The Camry lady was still crying. She thought she had killed me when I walked off the highway and collapsed in half-shock/half-murdering-rage on the grass ... and when she saw the cop she insisted on apologizing to no end for what she did. He didn't care. When he finally decided to just ask me for a statement and I mentioned that she came across the road well below the speed limit with no blinker on ... she made a loud moaning sound, then cried some more while apologizing for forgetting her blinker.

A week later I got my police report and guess who was found at fault? Do I blame other motorcycle riders ... no. Do I blame stereotyping police officers, partly. But mostly, I blame 20-something kids who think they know their shizzit behind the wheel of a vehicle. The bottom line is that the 20-something kid pulling a wheelie doing 80mph who hits your car is no different than the 20-something kid street racing his slammed Honda Civic Si. The difference is in the cash flow and whether or not daddy says "Yes" or not to buying a motorcycle.

The bottom line is that if that 20-something kid had enough money to buy a Ferrari, you'd be on my side of the fence trying to explain to everyone else how not everyone needs to ride/drive that way.

Bill in Brooklyn

 

OMG. Can I kill you? I love these points "it's the law, I can do it". No matter what is legal or not, use your common sense and safety first. I trust my judgement more than the laws written by some dude behind his desk. Never trust the law.

Glad to hear you will pay attention from now on. No matter how you hate and blame him. Fine with me.

Bill ng,
Are you serious? 929 is safer than the VFR? That's surprising. I always thought the VFR was the fine brother of the 929, the "racer" that's comfy and forgiving, yet having a great chassis ... ???