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Movable rear wings and rediculous rule that you can only use them in certain cond's

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  1. VIZSLA

    VIZSLA Four Time F1 World Champ
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    I think you no my "no gimmick" stand on things (and get off my lawn while we're at it) but its a fact of life for now so give it a chance (to fail).
     
  2. Fast_ian

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    #27 Fast_ian, Mar 26, 2011
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    :D Indeed.

    Sutil was *lucky* he didn't destroy that car!

    Incidentally, I was expecting a little more from Force India - Seems they too are struggling.

    Oh well, according to many here the season's over already! May as well give it to SV/RBR right now and cancel the season...... ;)

    Cheers,
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  3. VIZSLA

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    Don't hang the crepe quite yet. I see some of the teams making rapid improvement now that they're getting the track time they sorely missed over the break. Still RB is going to be very tough for anyone save McLaren to catch.
     
  4. Fast_ian

    Fast_ian Two Time F1 World Champ

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    Who? ;)

    Mclaren look to be about there. The rest (including Stefano & the boys) must be pretty depressed this morning.....

    I haven't checked, but I suspect that's one of the biggest pole margins we've seen for a while. And without KERS!......

    Hopefully the tires/pit stops will mess the script up and we'll have a good race........

    Cheers,
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  5. VIZSLA

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    What can I say? I'm a glass half-full cock-eyed optimist ;)
    McLaren are starting anew with their exhaust so I figure there's potential there. There's no substitute for track time and I see most teams improving to some degree or another. HRT for one has no where but up ;) (OK or out :( ). Ferrari has repeatedly shown it can improve so I hold out hope there.
    The alternative is a RB season long romp and if that happens I'm left with nothing but the Red Sox. An alternative too painful to discuss.
     
  6. Fast_ian

    Fast_ian Two Time F1 World Champ

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    Don't get me wrong, some of 'em will find something, but based purely on a single quali on what is a "funny" track (often producing surprises that are not followed up in later rounds), the the RBR is quite simply the class of the field :(

    But, I'll share your optimism and also note that Adrian does tend to produce cars that fall apart if looked at wrong.......

    :D

    I've said this before, I really don't have a problem with a team *dominating* - Boring for the "casual" fan, sure.

    But this is some fancy stuff they're playing with and if I do the job/interpret the rules and kick your ass, more power to me. I still find it fascinating! F1 to me is *never* boring, The Schu running off into the distance - Great stuff! Even when Mclaren took 16 of 17 (?) - Hats off to 'em, and everyone knows I'm not a fan of the boys from Woking.....

    It's a constructors as well as drivers championship, and he with the best engineering should be able to kick ass!.......

    [I guess the taxicab racers here would have changed the rules already to slow the Bulls down! ;)]

    Cheers,
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    PS - Oh yeah, some claim it's a spec series :)
     
  7. VIZSLA

    VIZSLA Four Time F1 World Champ
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    Don't dis the taxi-cabs! Helped me get through Uni and provided a lifetime of stories.
    As Sam Johnson said about London, when you're bored with F1 you're bored with life.
     
  8. Simon^2

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    #33 Simon^2, Mar 26, 2011
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    A couple questions?

    Can the movable wing be used at the start and re-starts after safety cars giving every car except P1 the option?

    At what point is the wing turned off by FIA? How far past the former ahead car is the passing car allowed to get before it is de-activated? And when is the car being overtaken allowed to activate his wing?

    Finally? what about pit exits. seems it would be an advantage to come out slightly behind an on track car and then pass, rather than ahead and have the car with hot tires given extra speed...
     
  9. Fast_ian

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    The summarised version:

    My emphasis added - I think that about covers it. You certainly can't use it behind the SC or exiting the pits. In Aus, the earliest deployment is now 867.2543 metres :))) from the braking zone into turn one - Apparently it's marked with a stripe across the track. The following car must be within a second exiting turn 16 (?)

    I've gotta be honest, the rear facing shots of 'em opening & closing like <still_need_metaphor> are actually pretty cool IMHO - Technology at work!

    Gimmick? Sure! But they might just improve the (supposedly boring ;)) show.....

    Cheers,
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  10. Simon^2

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    Ive seen that, but not sure why you think it can't be used after the safety car pulls off (during the restart) or exiting the pits after re-entering the track... based on that wording. Or on lap 1 for that matter... :confused:
     
  11. PSk

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    Well I think we can safely say the movable rear wings are a complete failure ... FIA - 0!

    Well done Vettel, LH and Petrov. Poor race by Webber ...
    Pete
     
  12. Aircon

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    I thought they worked perfectly. Rather than wiz past the car in front at an obscene rate, it took the length of the straight...and even then, you had to get the last corner right.

    Terrific idea.
     
  13. VIZSLA

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    They will work better at some tracks than others so sweeping statements can't be made (yet).
    They weren't overly intrusive yesterday so that, at least, is a plus.
     
  14. GrigioGuy

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    I think we can't tell yet.
     
  15. Wolfgang5150

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    Failure; as Speed pointed out; the huge amounts of marbles everyWhere make going offline impossible.

    Between the new tires, kers & this ridiculous wing, they have thrown too many things at one problem.
    They need to revert back to a simpler setup.
     
  16. PSk

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    I believe you are being sarcastic? ;)

    But if not, I watched JB fail to pass Massa for laps ... the DRS made no difference at all. Again FIA - 0.
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  17. VIZSLA

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    Not so much. It shouldn't be a simple press to pass device if the cars are of similar speed. Rather it should prevent a car from being stuck behind a markedly slower one. Otherwise we'd see cars swapping places every other lap.
    Still too early to tell but it may have potential.
     
  18. Tifosi15

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    I like it so far, it's not that it didn't work for Button it was just that Massa was strategic on his laps. Massa would block Button and save his KERS for when Button would be using the DRS, if you watch when Button finally passed Button realized, hey, maybe I should use KERS and DRS at the same time. Then he went wizzing past, I have to say that so far it's pretty cool, good job FIA
     
  19. VIZSLA

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    As gimmicks go it don't suk a lot ;)
     
  20. Tifosi15

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    If a gimmick turns out to be a gimmick is it a gimmick anymore? ;)
     
  21. Aircon

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    actually, i was being serious. it made just a small difference. sometimes not enough, sometimes JUST enough. At this track, on this day, I liked it. Next time? who knows.
     
  22. VIZSLA

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    Whadda my? A flippin Philosopher?
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  23. Fast_ian

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    +1

    At least they're *trying* to address the (supposed) lack of overtaking "problem" without turning it into Nascar.

    Have they got it right? Probably not, but it's a start.

    I do think usage should be "free" - I thought it was pretty cool watching 'em opening & closing in practice - Why not let 'em mess with it as they see fit?.....

    Cheers,
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  24. Aircon

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    well if they can all use it all the time, how will it help with what they're trying to achieve?
     
  25. Fast_ian

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    #50 Fast_ian, Mar 28, 2011
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    You do have a good point there!...... :)

    EDIT - Sorry, "Brain farted" on that one!
     

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