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MS drives rally style in Bahrain qualifier !

Discussion in 'Other Racing' started by Turb0flat4, Apr 3, 2004.

  1. Turb0flat4

    Turb0flat4 Formula 3

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    I'm glad I tuned in for the inaugural Bahrain F1 qualification. I thought Barrichello's lap time was brilliant and would remain unbeaten. But the most fantastic part was when Michael Schumacher did his lap. He made a bad mistake at turn one. The commentators were all going "oh dear, he's messed up now", but then MS drove unbelievably well through the rest of the circuit, and actually (you can tell from the in car cam footage) did a Scandinavian flick and drifted through the hairpin to clinch pole despite his earlier major error. The commentators seemed to echo my thoughts out loud when thay said "he's driving like a rally car driver !" Drifting in an F1 car !! Being the WRC fan that I am, I thoroughly enjoyed it !!
     
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  3. tifosi12

    tifosi12 Four Time F1 World Champ
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    Do yourself a favor and get some of the old F1 GP tapes from the early eighties and watch Gilles Villeneuve race. THAT was rally style racing. Going sideways past the Casino in Monaco to just catch the car before it hits the armco. Amazing stuff.
     
  4. Turb0flat4

    Turb0flat4 Formula 3

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    Thanks, I might just do that. Where to find these old races ? Are they archived on the Net somewhere in digital form ?
     
  5. PSk

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    That wheel lock up into the first corner was exaggerated by the press because they are morons. The inside wheel was the only wheel that locked and it is unloaded and doing fnck all. This is a trademark of MS when he is really pushing and shows that he is braking right on the limit and does NOT harm the tyre because it is unloaded.

    If you rewatch many of MS's races back in the days when the Ferrari cars were **** (which was not that long ago) you will see him do this lap after lap after lap as he was driving the balls of those cr@ppy cars.

    In the end MS and the media are doing everything possible to keep us interested ... but the result is the same, MS has already won this WC IMO, as there is just nobody else ready for being WC who can challenge him.

    The other thing is that MS chucks the car around alot when he has to push ... now that the rest of the field are so useless MS does not have to drive at more than 50% of his capability thus the car is on rails. Again watch the early days at Ferrari and he was just amazing how he coaxed speed out of those cars ... :D, now those races where fantastic to watch!

    Pete
     
  6. bobafett

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    Yes, where can one find older seasons / races? DVD?

    --Dan
     
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  8. 62 250 GTO

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    Speed TV plays old races. 94 season now. go to speed tv.com I have a few taped old ones. 85 and 89 Australian GP sent to me by a member from this board. Great gift. I'm still very pleased with the kindness. And I have a couple from speed. They come on at odd times and their times are ie: late friday night and early Sat shows are said to air like 1 am on friday instead of 1 am sat. I'm feeling crappy. I'll post my GP comments on Monday. Back to bathroom city.
     
  9. tifosi69

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    I thought that was COOL myself, big-time drift (relatively speaking) MS is the BEST when it comes to car control!
     
  10. tifosi12

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    Pete I think you misunderstood: Turb0flat4 was talking about the powerslide around the hairpin in the qualifying session. You're talking about turn 1 in the race.

    As for old TV shows: Speed only went back 10 years. If you really want old stuff, you have to search the internet. There is a guy who specializes on Gilles Villeneuve and offers all of GV's races on ebay from time to time. Aside from that collector shops offer them. Some places in the UK. Try our own sponsor ************ or http://www.motorsportcollector.com/. Not cheap, but quite entertaining, especially the Villeneuve stuff.
     
  11. PSk

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    No did not misunderstand. What I was talking about was the commentators and others stating that MS made a mistake into the first corner on his qualifying lap, because he lightly locked the inside wheel, ie:


    This is absolutely NORMAL MS driving when he is on the limit and the inside wheel does fnck all so does not matter.If MS said that it was a mistake we are talking a very minor mistake, and if that is all he did wrong then again he is Mr. Perfect.

    I understand that he chucked the car into the last corner and that is cool. In the end MS is so good that commentators are making up things to talk about ...

    Man I wish somebody could push him, so we could see that sort of driving again and all the time (ie. the chuck). Remember the late ninties in the hopeless Ferraris, powersliding everywhere until the rear tyres were stuffed :D :D

    Pete
     
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  13. Ferrari_co_uk

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    He did make a mistake at turn one... He went in slightly too quick and ran wide. Just as later in the lap at the tight hairpin onto the back straight he missed the apex but was able to keep the momentum going. That's why he was a tenth down after the first two sectors. He made it all up (and more) in the final sector.

    Best
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  14. ross

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    that was amazing. he had 2 less-than-ideal moments and still managed pole. whereas if anybody else even has the merest wobble, they lose about half a second! enjoy this moment in time racing fans, for you are seeing mastery of a car that will not be witnessed soon after he is retired.
     
  15. tifosi12

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    Not sure I agree with that:

    MS shows mastery. True. And on a consistent level, which makes him unique and hands him the many titles.

    However car mastery as he shows it we see occasionally already from other drivers (Kimi, Alonso, Montoya, even Rubens). Just not that regular.

    I've said it before: MS is fast, but I don't think he is the fastest out there. But he is the most complete racing driver currently.
     
  16. ross

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    tifosi,
    these others are surely competent drivers who may all win wc's someday. however, that day is not this year, and if ms were to stick around for some time, it would be a long time before one of them raised their game sufficiently. as you say, ms is the only 'complete' driver among them. the others are fast over a lap, a race, a couple races, but to win the wc you have to be on the ball 80+ pct of the time, and none of them are there yet - and in some cases (montoya in my mind) will never be.
     
  17. tifosi12

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    I agree with all that. I guess it depends on what you mean by "mastery". If you mean the whole package, then yes, we're currently witnessing a unique moment in racing history.

    If you refer to the hotlap that got him pole in Bahrain, then no. Others (especially JPM) have done that in the past and will continue to do so after MS retires. That's what I mean with sheer speed: I believe JPM is faster as a hot lap qualifier, but that doesn't win a race by itself.
     

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