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My 575M's Air Conditioning problem was due to blocked Dryer/Filter

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  1. Dickyboy88

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    My a/c system on my 575M has not been working properly. I had it re-gassed but even then it initially blew cold for 1-2 minutes and then just blew hot air. Prior to re-gassing there was 530g of refrigerant in the system, which, according to the Workshop Manual, has a capacity of 760g. Therefore, if everything else was ok, the a/c should have still worked to a reasonable extent. It did not work, so something else was wrong.

    My Ferrari specialist detected a blockage downstream of the compressor, and when the compressor got up to pressure it just de-clutched and effectively switched off. Immediately downstream of the compressor is the condenser (a radiator to cool the refrigerant), and then the dryer/filter and then the expansion valve. Which of these was blocked?

    The initial view was that the expansion valve was blocked; this was replaced by the mechanic from under the dash without removing the dashboard -a very fiddly job. The car was re-gassed, but the problem remained.
    The dryer/filter was then replaced, the car was re-gassed, and I now have marvellously ice cool a/c.

    One cannot see inside the dryer/filter as it is a welded together pressure vessel. However, I hacksawed it open and you will see from the photos below the state of the filter and the dirt all around it. There was also a thick green sludge in the bottom of the vessel.

    My car has done 22k miles, and this dryer/filter had been on the car since new. I believe Ferrari recommend replacing the filter every time the car is re-gassed, or at least at some regular frequency, but I believe few people do get it replaced. It is not an expensive part in the scheme of things. I have owned this wonderful car for 14 years, and I did get it re-gassed 8 years ago. Following that re-gassing the a/c worked ok, but not well. I would therefore assume the filter was part blocked then. The car is in storage most of the time, as will be obvious from the mileage, I guess!

    A learning from this is that of the three components (mentioned above) downstream of the compressor, it would probably be most likely that the dryer/filter is the guilty party. Additionally beneficial is that the dryer/filter is much easier to replace than the condenser or the expansion valve. So if you have a similar issue (clear blockage somewhere) and know nothing else, try replacing the dryer/filter first of all.

    I hope this information helps other Ferrari owners who might be finding their a/c is not working, or not working very efficiently, and believe it is due to a system blockage.

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  2. Qavion

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    Thanks for the heads up, Richard.... I think I'll order one for my next major.
     
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  3. tazandjan

    tazandjan Three Time F1 World Champ
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    Note Ferrari calls for replacing the 575M receiver/filter/dryer every two years, but hardly anyone does. Now we know why it needs to be changed.
     
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  4. Steen Jensen

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    Thanks for the info and pictures
     
  5. 308 GTB

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    Thank-you, Richard.

    Barry
     
  6. Auraraptor

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    Well said. It is on my to-do this year as I dont think it was ever changed on my 575 and the AC is just feeble vs my 456M.
     
  7. ifeelfree0

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    Can anyone help with a part number? I checked the block diagrams and I’m not convinced I’m looking at the right part
     
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  9. Mirek

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    #9 Mirek, May 6, 2024
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    GREAT info. I need to track down the 456M equivalent.
    I had no idea. Thanks for the post.

    Found it via a sponsor.

    Thanks everybody. Ordered.
     

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  10. tazandjan

    tazandjan Three Time F1 World Champ
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    Pretty much any generic receiver that fits will work, but that is a good price for a Ferrari part.
     
  11. Auraraptor

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    That is a good deal; I would buy new not used here unless you plan to bake it to remove the moisture….
     
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  12. Mirek

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    All in it costs around $200 if you import it or purchase locally from a vendor.
    After I bought the one in stock it went to “special order item” not in stock.
     
  13. Auraraptor

    Auraraptor F1 World Champ
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    Call David at All Ferrari parts 614-855-1103. $135 + shipping. It needs to be special ordered as you mentioned.
     
  14. Auraraptor

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    For reference, my standard 575 AC Service:
    • Vacuum Evacuate AC System fully (ideally overnight if possible / confirm no leaks, replace any needed hoses)
    • Check AC Compressor for leaks/seepage (rebuild if needed)
    • Replace Receiver/Dryer (64894200) - if still riveted, replace with threaded fastener for future service
    • Clean Pressure Switch (66374400) contacts; order if replacement needed
    • Replace AC compressor oil/refrigerant (R134 charge: 1.68 lbs or 27 oz)
     
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  15. Mirek

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    If you don’t mind, how difficult is the removal and replacement ?

    Kinda can’t wait to cut my old one open and see how it looks after 30k !
     
  16. stevepaa

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    How much oil if just replacing receiver /dryer? Thanks
     
  17. Auraraptor

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    I have not done it yet, it is a summer project after we wrap up the 456M major + Radiator re-core/rebuild.
    I don't know unfortunately, sorry
     
  18. fatbillybob

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    If parts are replaced under these conditions the dryer is the 1st thing suspected not the second. The RD is an A/C service item. If a paying customer with broke system where charge level is suboptimal RD replacement is part of the best practices service. It is a shortcuts to just charge the system to find it still does not work. The expansion valve is also called and orifice valve. The orifice is engineered really small. Moisture in the A/C system freezes in the orifice and cuts the flow. But the moisture in the system comes from a suboptimal charge with atmospheric air replacing it and a failed RD. The RD isn't plugged it is no longer drying. There is desiccant in there that pulls and hold moisture. The tech is also responsible to pull moisture out of the system by holding about 1 atm of vaccum for at least an hour. That's generic time and pressure that works. A manufacturer will have a protocol for that vacuum and for how long.

    As a DIY I may work on 5 cars all year while a real tech 100's? I have no idea. But in my small sample size I have rarely replaced a RD. I have 95% of the time reused them by baking in the oven at 250F for a couple hours similar to what you would do to recharge a desiccant pack people put in gunsafes. My maranello A/C freezes me by the way and I can't use it on "full" after just a few minutes entering a hot car. The system is quite good like a BMW but not as good as GM.
     
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  19. Clyde Romero

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    I have a 2003 575 and to my knowledge it has never had the system opened and it blows cold air.
    the Dryer on the 575 is difficult to get to.
     
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  20. dhalperin13

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    I’m getting a horrible whine from my A/C when the fan is set higher...still blowing cold though… Also makes odd noises when I change the mode from automatic…hoping I can put the repair off until the winter. Any risk of causing bigger problems deferring this issue?

    2003 575
     
  21. Dickyboy88

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    Many thanks 'fatbillybob" for your detailed reply and your explanation makes total sense; i.e. the dryer/filter was not actually blocked, but the moisture-saturated desiccant in the original 21 year old dryer/filter meant that excess moisture was present in the refrigerant and that moisture froze and iced up as it rapidly expanded and cooled as it passed through the narrow expansion valve, causing a system blockage. Excellent; the learning remains the same......replace your dryer/filter regularly. Thank you.
    PS: My wife and I have since taken the car on a fantastic European road trip (from Scotland to Vienna, and back), and the a/c (and the car) performed faultlessly. Some days were really hot and the car was as cool as we wanted it and could have been cooler! It's so nice to now have a properly functioning a/c system.
     

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