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My crazy neighbor's german shepards

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  1. amslb182

    amslb182 Formula Junior

    Oct 3, 2004
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    Andrew LeGrant
    About two years ago a man moved in next door to me and has caused us nothing but trouble ever since. When he moved in he had one German shepard that would often wonder onto our yard and bark at all hours of the day, and often come running at you when you walked down the street. Now he has 4 German shepards that bark at all hours of the day and wander into our yard whenever they please as they are not fenced in nor watched. For the second time on Monday they attacked my dog, a 9 year old yellow lab, who could only hurt one by licking them to death. The attack happend just like the first time with my mother walking him down the road LEASHED as town law states he has to be, when the dogs ran out of their yard and bit him, this time in the rear, the first time in the side. My mother yelled at Phil, the neighbor, and once again he apologized and begged her for another chance.
    We've been calling the dog warden along with the family that lives on the other side of Phil, who also wants him out of the neighborhood, whenever there is a situation with the dogs. To make matters worse we also believe Phil is a drug dealer. There are cars in and out of his house at all hours of the day and night, and there are cars constantly pulling in and out of our driveway, at all hours of the day and night.
    I just got off the phone with the dog warden and he said he's trying to put together a fine for good ol' Phil for about $1500-1800. I told the dog warden if they came into my yard again and tried to make another move at me or the dog that they would not be making it back to Phil's yard. I have plenty of fire power to take care of a few German shepards and enough balls to do it if they come over here again. The warden told me that I have the right to do this if they attack me, but he said there better be marks. He also said if they went for the dog and i shot them that the legality was "questionable". I however will have no problem explaining this to a cop or judge if need be, if i do shoot any of them.
    I'm only 16 years old so my only concern is about having trouble about having a gun on me, especially if it's a hand gun, even if it is in my own backyard to protect myself. The warden also said that this town is full of animal rights activists, whish doesn't worry me to much. Just wondering what you guys thought of this and if you had any words of wisdom. thanks
     
  2. Silver Spider

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    May 5, 2005
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    What about using mace or pepper spray on the dogs instead of shooting them? Then they'd be less likely to get onto your property again.

    In New Zealand, if a pet or human gets attacked by a dog, the dog gets put down if the owner complains to the City council.
     
  3. amslb182

    amslb182 Formula Junior

    Oct 3, 2004
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    That's not a bad idea, not sure if i'd want to get that close it it without knowing that i could surely stop it though. I wish it were that way here also.
     
  4. Dino Martini

    Dino Martini F1 Rookie

    Dec 21, 2004
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    As far as it goes in Alberta if a dog attacks an animal or human the animal is put down. One of my old neighbors dogs bit my sister, it was put down. Im not sure shooting the dog is the awnser. As the person above me said, Pepper Spray or Mase might be a better option. German Shepards or Huskies or Pit bulls have never ever been my fortay. I have personally be knocked over by a Husky and a German Shepard a few times while walking down my alley. As a smaller kid Im sort of afraid of the bigger dog breeds. Ill stick with fish for now. Good luck with your issue, hopfully it gets resolved. If I may ask, how many time have these dogs personally attacked you or your mother? how come Phil keeps getting another chance?
     
  5. ^@#&

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    just shoot the dogs
     
  6. ferrarigtofan

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    BB gun, quiet, can be shot out bedroom window and dogs will stay inside afterwards.
     
  7. PassionIsFerrari

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    Aug 15, 2004
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    DO NOT SHOOT THE DOG!

    1.) You are just asking for trouble, last thing you want to do is get criminal charges filed against...Very expensive.

    2.)It's not the dogs fault! It's Phil's fault. The dogs should not die because of Phil's irresponsibility. Obviously, self defense is a different story, but the fact that you ask this on a public forum is going to make that one very hard to believe.


    Call the warden like you have done. Is there any covenants and restrictions in your neighborhood that he is violating?

    Sue him...He bit your dog and attacked your aunt. Contact any attorney...All that money he is making from dealing drugs will come your way real fast with the help of an attorney.

    Call the police, let them know that you suspect he is dealing drugs. They will watch him, and if they bust him, those dogs will go up for adoption and hopefully go to good owners.
     
  8. CMY

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    Oct 15, 2004
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    I'd probably suggest that you don't pick up a firearm if you're 16.. more trouble than it's worth (at least for dogs, a human threat is something else entirely).

    In all honestly, if this is such a predictable problem then get a video camera out and document it. Get the dogs on your property, going after your dog, barking at night, etc. Report his own suspicious activity to the local cops and wait.
     
  9. SrfCity

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    You don't want to do a "Walking Tall" here with these dogs. You'll have more people all over your @ss then you'll care to mention. The Warden is right these animal rights people are nuts and you may get death threats etc. I'm surprised that dogs are allowed to just wonder there. Isn't there some kind of code that states that you need to keep the dogs tied up? Do a Google search and find an economical way to keep the dogs away. Maybe one of those things that emits a high pitch noise that they'll hate. Whatever you do make sure it's legal. Call the cops on the guy regarding drug activity and maybe they'll start surveillance. Try exaggerating what's going on there. Say you're not sure but they may be plotting some antigovernment/terrorist activity. That should get some attention. ;)
     
  10. PassionIsFerrari

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    The people that are on hear telling you to shoot it do not have to live with your consequences....You do....Their advice (and for that matter mine) is worth what you are paying for it. If you are seriously considering shooting these dogs if they come onto your property, call an attorney first and find out what your legal liability is, or maybe a couple of the guys on this site that are attorneys will chime in.
     
  11. amslb182

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    Oct 3, 2004
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    My mother and others from the neighborhood have called the police and said they suspect him of dealiing drugs, and the cops have done nothing. There are laws in our town that state the dog must be kept in it's yard with some kind of fence or tied up if it can't stay there on its own. Using a gun would be my absolute last resort and I would only do it if the animal came after me or my dog first, when it was well onto my land. I like the video camera idea though, I think ill take it out and start recording every time they come on the yard. If there is a lawyer reading this please pm or email me if you have any advice. Also I'm not trying to be all big and macho about this but i've had enough of this guy and his dogs and now that mine has been hurt multiple times im ready to put a stop to it. thanks
     
  12. senna21

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    I'm going to second this advice.

    The last thing you want to do is shoot the dog. How would you feel if someone shot your dog for just being a dog? That's what's going on here. The problem isn't his dogs, it's his inability to be a responsible owner as said above. Even suggesting shooting it shows your age, lack of responsibility and lack of reasoning. Don't make a bad situation worse.

    Do call an attorney. Also call the cops and let them know you suspect he's dealing drugs out of his house.
     
  13. wax

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    In the eyes of a judge, jury and prosecutor, you're better off using a rifle.

    Regardless, don't do it.

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  14. amslb182

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    True his dogs shouldn't die because of Phil's lask of responsibility, but neither should mine. I know these dogs are capable of it because there used to be 5 dogs, now there are only 4. One of them was ripped apart by the others. And how am i "shows your age, lack of responsibility and lack of reasoning" by trying to protect my mother, myself and my animal. Isn't this why we have the second ammendment?
     
  15. ferrarigtofan

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    If you call the police and tell them the dogs came after you and that you fear you will have to shoot them to get out to your car, they will come. Police are not interested in your problem, but they really hate the paperwork of a discharged firearm in a residential neighborhood. At 16 you can not legally own a firearm and as such could be creating a legal problem for your parents.

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    No more Phil - priceless
     
  16. PassionIsFerrari

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    Your right, but let the authorities handle it...Tell them what you are telling us....Though a lot of people think that cops just blow off a situation, they do not want a bigger situation.

    Dogs are automatically quarintined if a dog bite report is filed....If you are dead set on shooting them....hit them with BB guns so that they will just run away and not actually take the dog's life...If you see them loose from in your house (which should happen often if they are getting out that much) call the cops immediately and tell them that there are dangerous dogs outside trying to bite you and that you had to go inside. They will get their fast....Have you neighbor's corraborate your story.
     
  17. Spasso

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    As a measure of protecting yourself from attack I don't think using pepper spray would get you in as much trouble as a gun. Pepper spray is usually temporary, a gun is not.

    You could even tell your neighbor that everyone in your household is afraid of being attacked and that you will use pepper spray on the dogs if they come near you or your family. You can run that by the law while you are at it.

    A dogs nose is extremely sensitive. If they keep getting a shot or two of this stuff in the eyes and nose everytime they come into the yard or near you they will tend to stay away. I think if you use defense as probable cause you won't get nailed by the law.

    Get the big utility size that Dog the bounty hunter uses.
     
  18. amslb182

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    ^^ I like that. The firearms aren't mine, they belonged to my father, but does this mean i cannot use them even for self defense?
     
  19. PassionIsFerrari

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    Last thing you want to do is discharge a firearm....Your father could be in big time trouble for it as well...because of the fact that you had access.
     
  20. amslb182

    amslb182 Formula Junior

    Oct 3, 2004
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    Andrew LeGrant
    My father died three years ago and my mother doesn't know a .22 from a 12 guage. I've take care of all the guns since he passed away.
     
  21. PassionIsFerrari

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    Then they would come after your mother. They would say that it is her responsibility.
    Your also open yourself up to numerous lawsuits from Phil. You see it from your side as well as us, but not everyone will.....especially animal rights activists....This problem can be solved without the use of firearms....It might not get solved overnight, but it will pale in comparison to the amount of headache you and your mom will face if you shoot one of those dogs.
     
  22. amslb182

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    Oct 3, 2004
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    Andrew LeGrant
    I certainly see your point and repeat what I said before that it would be an absolute last resort. I think for now I'll go the route of calling the police whent they come in the back yard and saying they were over agressive and tried to make a move torwards me. I'm also going to get out the video camera, and see if i can't get this all on tape, just in case I ever do need physical evidence.
     

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