My Father Used To Own Racing Ferraris

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  2. Mang

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    Wow - amazing! some VERY special Ferrari's in that group, great taste! My favorite Ferrari car era by far.
     
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    Let's see- $8400 for a 250GTO in 1970. In 1971 my tuition at Stanford was $2700, so the car was about 3 times that. For the 2007-8 academic year tuition at Stanford is $34,800, so 3 times that is like $100K.

    What kind of 8 year old Ferrari will $100K get you today?
     
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    A 550 Maranello; maybe an optionless, Euro, converted 360 Modena.


    Thanks for the link, Cliff. Your father owned some amazing cars.
     
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    Thanks for posting Cliff.

    I spent a good bit of time last week browsing through all the Bandini's, Abarth's etc., quite the eye opener!
     
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    I hade no idea that this level of significant early Ferraris had called St. Louis their home. Looks like your did was the local Ed Niles for a while.

    So how many of these did you sneak out with when the family wasn't looking (should we say not in hearing distance)?

    Jeff
     
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    The only other real collector/racer I know of was Dave Biggs who's barn/garage famously burned down
    in Clarksville Missouri.

    I was too young to drive any of the ferraris, but did drive his 1955 Porsche Spyder around Gateway
    Raceway (with his blessing) before they made it into a real track.

    He also had other Porsche racing cars as well as Maseratis and more. If anyone is interested in seeing them
    click on the link below:

    http://www.cliffreuter.com/Dad's%20classic%20cars.htm
     
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    I'm nominating this one for post of the month.

    Thanks for sharing.
     
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    If you've never been, you owe yourself a trip to Chuck Haines' Can Am Cars just west of town.
     
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    Those are great articles but we differ with "330 GTO 3765SA". This car was a homologated 250 GTO
    and it was stamped 3765 with no SA (Super America). It has the SAME chassis/frame as any
    other GTO. For some reason people think it has a 330 SA frame and we are here to say, NO!

    Anyone have any insight on this?
     
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    It's things like this that keep me coming back to Fchat. Thank you for posting that up. What a wonderful experience. Reminds me of growing up near Paul Pappalardo's collection.

    CW
     
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    According to the Cavallino article, 3765's chassis is unique and bears the type 538/566. My understanding was that it didn't acquire the 3-liter block (0796) until 1963 when then in the hands of- Cavallino lists the owner as Timavo, but I thought his name was Timavo P. Ferraro. Then Tossi, then you guys. I was able to spend time in and around 3765 before and after restoration. What a fantastic car.
     
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    Barchetta.cc has it listed as Pietro Ferraro, Cartiera del Timavo SpA, I - alias "Montin"

    Then: Ferdinando Latteri, I

    Then Tossi (Mario)

    Then us

    They list it as 3765LM take a look:

    http://www.barchetta.cc/english/All.Ferraris/Detail/3765GT.250GTO.htm

    We restored the car (with an engine rebuild by my Dad) and he says the chassis was
    the same as any other GTO he'd ever seen.

    Did you see the car while with its current owner, Jaeger??

    PS He thought it was only hitting on 11 cylinders after the rebuild!!
     
  18. pastmaster

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    Tremendous!!! Thank You for enriching our knowledge of these rolling treasures! What memories and joys you have of your Father, and his passion for Ferrari, Maserati, Porsche, etc. :D

    Ciao...Paolo
     
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    I have no exact docs, but it is possible that the 3-litre was installed as late as for the 1965 season for Ferdinando Latteri. Ferrari turned it back to factory in 11/63, I believe. Best wishes, Kare
     
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    I am 100% sure 3765 was raced in 65 Targa Florio with a 3 litre engine, therefore the swap was done before may 65, probably sometimes in 1964 (according to Cavallino and Barchetta). If you look at the 65 Targa Florio pics, you see that the bonnet does not have the big hump clearance for the larger engine, but looks more like a 250 GTO bonnet, except of course for the crude air intake (with single flap) at the front...
     
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    More like 80! ;)
     
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    Awesome pics and thnak you for sharing them. I met your Dad several times at the FCA Annual Meets in the early 70s. I believe he sold the "O" to Fred Leydorf who was then President of FCA. Correct me if I'm wrong. I remember when he brought the 500 TRC to Grosse Point in the early 70s.
     
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    That does indeed look like the same car that Mr Leydorf had (prior to Mr. Jaeger).
     
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    Same car. Fred bought the car from Mr. Reuter, kept it for ten years and then sold it to Jim Jaeger. When Jim got it, the nose still had the slot cut in it which it retained until Al Roberts restored it for him. I had the privilege of meeting Fred circa 1990 and he explained that he had sold 3765 in part to focus on the restoration of 375MM #0472AM with Dave Cummins. Really nice guy, that Mr. Leydorf.
     
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    IMHO, he should have kept 3765...
     
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    #25 etceterini.com, Nov 6, 2008
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    Yes,
    Fred is a great guy who also had (and has) some great cars! He showed his 375MM at Pebble Beach
    two years ago, it's a beauty! My Dad, Jack, still enjoys his cars and currently has two Bandinis which
    are pictured below. Please let me know what you guys think about the Bandinis.
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