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My first CEL experience...P0432

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  1. Dave rocks

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    On Sunday I got my first ever CEL. I've driven about 3500 miles during my ownership over the last 2 seasons. This season has only been about 400 miles of it.

    I pulled the codes last night and I have:

    P0432

    and Pending codes:

    P0410
    P1445
    P1448

    I found this thread for P0410 and plan to clean the gauze filter tonight and check for any hose leaks. http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/348-355-sponsored-bradan/346356-cel-p0410.html

    Any help is appreciated. I plan to actually consider these codes are real and look for the source of the problem(s). I know this often turns into a ghost hunt but I actually believe the system is probably doing it's job and reporting problems or potential problems.
     
  2. SoCal1

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    Most likely all related to 1 thing air pump canister, maybe you popped a hose off playing with other things or the connector has poo pee's on it from road grime

    Knee bone connected to the ankle bone type deal.

    Dont over think all the codes :)
     
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    Hey Tim,

    Yes, I am going to get into the air pump and filter tonight.
     
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    how did you make out?
     
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    #5 Dave rocks, Aug 16, 2014
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    Hi Tim,

    I pulled the complete sub assembly out and need to get new gauze for the filter. Pump is spinning free and fuse is not blown. I cleaned every thing up and I'm inspecting lines.
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    #6 Dave rocks, Aug 30, 2014
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    So I pulled my air pump out and checked the impeller, spinning freely. Replaced the filter (material from McMaster carr), labeled the TCU's and all connections, bench tested the air pump, vac tested the bypass valve, made sure all lines had no holes.

    Put everything back together, let idle for 10 minutes so ECU could relearn (batt off) and went for a 15 mile ride, drove the piss out of it!!!! Can't believe I came home without a ticket.

    Car ran like a top!!! Came home and scanned: zero codes or pending.
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    Just thinking Dave, but in 15 minutes you may not have completed a full drive cycle. When you checked the codes di it say all monitors were ready?
     
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    15 miles, my email to you was a type o
     
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    Cool, that thing pulls such a high amperage that any variation can trigger it as bad, especially with the connections behind the right rear wheel

    Cool its working
     
  10. Badabing!

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    Nice work Dave. Is there another DIY write up in our future ?
     
  11. ChuckStyl5

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    should of updated the ECU's while you were there to the green ones
     
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    #12 Dave rocks, Aug 31, 2014
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    I bought a new green potted one as a backup a year ago. I only seem to have intermittent issues (2-3 times total) after a wash. So, I used hi-temp RTV silicone to seal the edges of the potting and housing.

    And yes Neil, I'll write this up when I get a chance.
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    Should have just plastic dipped them. I see you have been busy with your labeler. :)
     
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    That's a good idea, John. If this does not work, I'll try it. And yes, the p-touch is nice for these things. I labeled the connections in the engine bay also.
     
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    Great work clean job. I still recommend you check the cats with a soft rubber mallet bang on them to make sure nothing has broken up inside, or check by removing the rear 02 sensor and sticking something in to see if the matrix is loose.
     
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    P0432 back today. No other pending. I'm going to pull the CAT and inspect. I did buy some O2 sensors also but I think I will inspect the CAT first before swapping parts.
     
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    Dave I got some really interesting results with an ecu's this weekend 5.2
    A modded one runs smoother and pulls better
    2 stock ones

    Out of the 3 one takes forever the the drive cycle to be ready and that one has a couple stored codes
    The other 2 the drive cycle all I have to do is go for a 100 mile ride and they are ready and they dont throw codes

    These things have gremlins for sure in the electrical system. As long as your vital signs and fuel trim's long term are good you should be OK
     
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    Thanks Tim but I don't think it's a gremlin. My guess is that's it's a real issue so I want to find the root cause. I'm not too worried as I pulled the code as soon as the MIL came on and then proceeded to drive the crap out of it once I knew it was CAT deficiency.
     
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    Yes thats a common one to these cars. Just if you dont find anything wrong wanted to bring it to attention. Geta good look see at the cats before they meaoww
    Clean those connections also :)
     
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    It's funny coz any electrical connection I've looked at to date looked pretty darn good. No intention to install the GCK ever. But, I do plan to look over my connections regarding the immobilizer soon.
     
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    Yes I dont plan on installing it either I have a few hundred of every timer, jr timer plug if I need them
    Even when they look good they still suck a week later but its like my aches and pains adds personality
     
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    Dave, recall that I mentioned that it may take some time for the codes to come back. You have to wait until all the monitors are ready and that can take time. Tim's experience isn't uncommon and doesn't indicate an ECU problem. Drive cycles can be funny. Certain monitors won't reset if you done drive the right way or have the right amount of gas in the tank.

    And to set the code you may have to hit the right operation point/conditions. It's all in that OBD II paper I sent you and posted, which is now in the Master Sticky thread.

    Another thing is that aside from the possibility of the cats going it could be that the upstream O2 sensor is on the way out. You may recall I mentioned the roll of the down stream sensor for correcting for the drift in the upstream sensor. It could be that the up stream sensor, while still working, has drifted too far for the down stream sensor to correct and the car is running rich or lean which results in the cat not being able to do its job and you get the error.

    Also, I think its time for everyone to realize that the contacts on the O2 sensors are not similar to those typically held up as the ones that are claimed to be problematic and are still used on most O2 sensors today.

    Lastly, I don't really understand why I never hear about PC based OBD II readers/software. There are lots around and many have free demo available for down load. OBD II Doctor and Easy OBD II come to mind. A USB or Blue tooth ELM OBD II reader is $20 or less and the software ranges form $20 to $100 for a full license. A PC with reader and software is really the way to go. It allows you to read codes, look at real time engine parameters, like what the O2 sensors are doing, and to look at the freeze frame data of what was happening when the code was set.

    Anyway, hang in there. You will get it.
     
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    Hey John,

    I like that idea - a lot! I'll look into what's out there. I'd rather have more definitive data to diagnose the root cause before throwing darts, even if educated throws ;)

    And I'm hanging in quite well - this stuff does not frazel me in the least :)
     
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    I'm currently testing Easy OBD II with my ELM327 reader. I'll let you know how it works.
     
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    I agree 100%, live data is the only way to work on any car, I use several pc based systems. "Torque app" is what I run in the car while driving for giggles. A bit basic but works with a phone and no professional equipment needed. You want a program with extended data logging gps time stamp all the goodies. been down this road on a professional basis with a lot of the big boys in the game since inception of OBD or we used to call it ODB after that singer from the era

    Funny lots of the shops today data log then send the stream to be analyzed at a central location, that's the extent of troubleshooting abillities

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