Which Piper P4 car is featured in the magazine "Old Motor, october 1979"? 0900/... Red, no. 5, spyder Interesting story.
Here a photo of #0854 to the 1000 km of Paris Montlhéry 1967 of David Piper/Jo Siffert (#9) with can also see the Mirage M1 de Jacky Ickx follows Ferrari 412 P #0850 of Jean Blaton "Beurlys"/Lucien Bianchi. Image Unavailable, Please Login
Yes .... #0900 - as it was originally painted in Rosso Corsa and carrying #5. Good article, and as you said - an interesting story. If anybody wants to read it, I have full-sized scans of the article - in total approx. 7MB's, which I'll happily send out to anybody who wants to PM their email address. Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
and below, as mis-captioned in Godfrey Eaton's book 'Great Marques - Ferrari', as (then) David Clarke's P4 (#0856). Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
.... and as imitated by Bob Norwood in the first of his aluminium-bodied P4 replicas, built for the late Joe Marchetti. Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
Hmm, did Norwood also do the smaller Dino based replica for Marchetti? Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
Paul It's funny I somehow wound up with that interior. Where do you think it's originally from? Cheers
...they do not speak about the other 0900 cars. Where those two already made in 1979? Where is the other one? Now we know that '0846' was one of them. I have posted a picture of a P4 mould (ex-piper) it is complete with hood, doors etc etc. Does he have more moulds for P4?
I don't know, Jim. From the contemporary photos of P4 interiors that I have studied, they all appear to have the normal red or red and black vinyl / leather interior coverings. However, I have seen that same fabric used in the cockpits of '67 and '68 Ferrari F1 cars. 'Macca' could probably confirm this. Perhaps 'Pipes' scrounged a roll of it from the factory, and used it to make #0900's interior padding - which as you stated, appears to be what he supplied with your car. I seem to remember reading somewhere (maybe it was in the 'Famous Amon' thread in Atlas F1), that in '67, Ferrari had experimented with some allegedly 'fire-resistant' material in the F1's cockpits. Chris (being a heavy smoker) apparently soon found out that it wasn't !
Where did you take that photo, Tom ? Near Charleroi in Belgium, perhaps ? Piper has plenty more P4 / 412P mouldings. In fact, when I was speaking to him, only last week, he said he had enough parts to build another P4 - including original engine blocks !
"0900a" like David's "0900" (Coco Chinetti also ownes a car that claims that chassis number) is built on chassis built to P4 specs. A third P4 spec. chassis was recently built from the P4 chassis blueprints that Enzo gave to David, "0900b" and is being used for the "412P Reconstruction" that was displayed in the Tent at Leguna last summer. (IMO in this particular case "reconstruction" is a misnomer as I'm not aware of any 412P's that are unaccounted for nor do I understand how one could "reconstruct" a 412P on a newly constructed P4 chassis, but that is a separate issue.) 0846 is of course not built to those P4 blueprints but is a P3 chassis modified as per 0846's Technical Data Sheets to accept a P4 engine. There are photographs of "0900", "0900a" and 0846's chassis in the 100 page document in Rossa. Cheers
No, at Hietbrink's shop. One of Pipers engineers (Silverstone Coys Historic 1998) told me that the green P4 (0900) had the Daytona winning engine....of 0846.
I very much doubt 0846's block survived the Le Mans fire. As an aside the heads now on my engine (3 valve P4) have Le Mans ACO stamps. There were four sets of P4 heads that ran at Le Mans in 1967. 0846, 0856, 0858, and 0860. There are photo's of my heads and their ACO stampings in the 100 pages as well.
paul, do you have pics or know that the engine of 0846 is in Piper's car today? ofcourse it could be wrong. There were spare engines at the time ('66/'67).
are the engines MR Piper has "real" vintage engines? i remember in the "0846" thread(s) that someone mentioned that there was a source for replica Ferrari v12's of that type, from that era. ( south america i think?) anyway, given the rarity and the small number of cars produced that used these race engines, would not those engines be worth a fortune in an of themselves and have traceable race history given thier various casting and inspection numbers? man, Mr Piper must have a pile of cool stuff
I think you're referring to the engine in Max's car "0900a" which is a V-12 Lambo so far as I know. I have heard mention of "replica" P4 blocks but I have never confirmed that they in fact exist. The engine and gearbox in "0900" are quite correct. The seats currently fitted a bit less so.
Tom. I do have photos of #0900's engine, but nothing that you wouldn't have seen before, and certainly nothing of a high enough resolution that we could 'zoom' in on to find a stamping, if that's what you were thinking. I was under the impression that #0900 was fitted with the original (spare) 4-litre engine from the #0858 factory spares package (as supplied to Scuderia Veloce) - remembering that #0858, of course, is still fitted with its 4.2-litre 350 Can-Am motor. But #0900 has been built for nearly 30 years now - and you know how 'Pipes' isn't averse to swapping parts around, when neccessary. So who knows ? Next time I phone him, I'll remember to ask ....
Paul I believe you're right about 0900's engine being from the spares package. John Amet (now of Lambo) told me that it was a spare engine that was being rebuilt at Ferrari when Hawkins was killed and that David sent him to pick it up. The engine in 0858 today is stamped 0858. Cheers.
Yes it is was used in the 512's as well but Paul is right about it's use in the 66/67 F1 cars. It's exactly the same in Tod's 1967 312 F1.
