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My Smog woes

Discussion in '456/550/575' started by ferraridriver, Jan 30, 2019.

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  1. stevepaa

    stevepaa Formula Junior
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    #51 stevepaa, Feb 16, 2019
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    Tongue in cheek humor from Brian!
    Dave is his own shop foreman in his garage.
     
  2. fatbillybob

    fatbillybob Two Time F1 World Champ
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    I'm spoiled by how fast I can MIG and how dirty the metals can be. I have TIG too but don't use it as much because it just takes me longer to set-up and use. I used to oxy/acet or aet/air silver or brass braze for custom road bikes. I'm too out of shape to ride bikes anymore and the idiots texting on the road are more dangerous than racing at 160mph at Daytona.

    Have fun the report should be done tomorrow and relay in the mail by next weekend. Enjoy the warmth. It's a real treat from NoCal 45F winters.
     
  3. Eaven marcum

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    Hey everyone. New here. Joined specifically trying to tackle this air pump monitor issue. I have a 2000 456m gta. Failed for secondary air not ready. Countless drive cycles, phone calls to many dealerships. It appears Ferrari didn’t really build in this monitor to actually complete. It’s only came to light now that California wants everything but evap to be “ready”

    I see only 2 options to get it through. Either find someone that can “pass” it, or find someone that flashes and programs the 5.2’s and modifies the air monitor to say ready.

    The 5.2 is in many different cars. BMW Audi and I believe Porsche. There has to be someone that can hack these ecu’s and get that monitor to say ready.

    I’ve built many LS engines and it’s very common place to just set all monitors to “ready”

    Any ideas on a motronic tuner? I’ve reached out to Jim Conforti with no reply.
     
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  4. fatbillybob

    fatbillybob Two Time F1 World Champ
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    How do you reset monitors on LS motors like in a corvette...HP tuners or??
     
  5. Eaven marcum

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    Yes, HP tuners or EFI live will do it.
     
  6. Rifledriver

    Rifledriver Three Time F1 World Champ

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    Dave, could not find your phone number. I just went through same with our Mercedes AMG E55. 3 Bosch branded downstream O2 sensors, countless hours of diagnosis time and a brand new fuse/relay board later its fixed. I bought a Bosch sensor at the dealer instead of an outside source.
    Many of us had long suspected Bosch has had either multiple component quality levels with same numbers in supply chain or pieces that may not pass QA with flying colors are being diverted to non OE sources. Used to think it was nonsense but seen too much of this in recent years to dismiss it anymore. Bosch really has become that type of company.

    I hate posting here. Call and give me your number when you have a chance.
     
  7. pfl

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    Same issue here with a 458 and no matter what the Secondary Air Injection test does not complete. Anyone have any other ideas?
     
  8. 360trev

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    Having worked on this for years now I have developed many novel solutions for a significant spread of Ferrari models including 360s, 575s, F430s, 599s and 612s. These work across all firmware versions and part numbers. These solutions provide valuable advanced highly detailed lower level tracking of secondary air diagnostics and more (significantly more detailed than any factory tool given to technicians) as well as data logging and real-time analysis / control plus showing exactly what's going on and why. This saves a lot of time and money tracking these kind of faults in order to fix them cost effectively.

    I have developed many other solutions as well as fixing immobilizer issues including virginizing, cloning to spare ECUs and even extended timeouts or deletions entirely. Everything to upgrading software to the final versions (which can also fix many secondary air and emissions issues - this isn't just cross flashing but automated altering firmware to be compatible with your assy number and engine configuration which often have subtle but important differences across model years) to optimized driver options like exhaust valve opening personalization and differentiated sport and normal modes.

    I can basically do full bespoke personalizations including recalibration for different setups such as high flow cats and freer flowing exhaust/intake upgrades like larger air flow meters or throttle bodies. All calibrated exactly like Bosch would have done at the factory. No corners cut. I've written bespoke software to manage the entire process.

    I'm currently working on extended support for the later cars such as 458, FF, 812, Cali, etc.

    I am yet to invest the time necessary to fix issues with the pre 1999 cars based on ME5.2 or earlier as I've not had sufficient demand expressed.

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  9. Ferrari55whoa

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    Your post makes me sweaty in a positive way.
    #IfeelInappropriate. ;-)

    Chatting with a few of the 575 guys you have helped has had me all wound up with excitement.
     
  10. Mirek

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    Is this a solution to the (one of) the secondary air monitors not resetting or additional diagnostic capability ? I passed CARB but just had my 456M battery unplugged at the shop so I am back to paying attention !

    Are you based in California and/or is this pull out a computer and send it ?
     
  11. 360trev

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    Both.

    I don't yet have any time scheduled to do earlier models so it's not a "thing" today (yet!) but if there is sufficient demand for cars like the 456, 550 and F355, etc. I could have my arm twisted to take a look sooner! If it's a common issue impacting multiple owners then it makes a lot more sense.

    To be fair it's on my list of things I'd like to do just not my highest priority today.



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  12. DrDweeb

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    Trev,

    I just bought an April 2003 GTA, so almost the last of the breed. It was not able to past California smog despite the best efforts of those involved. It is not a massive issue for me as the car isn't staying in California, but it is one more data point for you wrt the 456.

    I am sort of interested in what you can do ... but hopefully my bog standard car isn't going to just "stop running" any time soon.
     
  13. santoph

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    Hi,
    Wondering if you ever resolved this? thanks
     
  14. Skippr1999

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    one issue that comes up repeatedly on 355 cars is the CEL related to the bypass valve.
    I have the box that Goth designed and sold prior to his disappearance. The box works to make the system happy, but the community could definitely use a solution to this.
    If the cats are removed or the bypass valve is replaced with the Capristo version the CEL occurs. Extenders work for the cat Codes and CEL, but the bypass valve code & CEL is the issue that seems to not go away without the Goth Box which is no longer available.
     
  15. Skippr1999

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    The 355 is such an awesome car. It would be really great to see how you could improve it.
     
  16. smwalker

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    Recently came across his video of a teaching class for instructors that teach smog technicians in CA and a Maserati Case came up. Shows in over 2000 start up the AIR monitor never ran. Interesting story and outcome that is Italian Centric so though it might work for ferraris as well. Post your success or failure with the method.


     

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