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NA 12 cylinder rumor..550 vaules?

Discussion in '456/550/575' started by ReyF, Jun 19, 2018.

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  1. ReyF

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    I was told by someone who talked to a Ferrari hierarchy that the 812 Superfast would be the last of the naturally aspirated front engine 12 cylinders. In a video that David Lee talks about his 812 he mentions the very same thing. Then I did a search and saw this article. https://arstechnica.com/cars/2017/02/is-the-812-superfast-going-to-be-the-last-ever-naturally-aspirated-ferrari/ Do you guys think the value of the 550's will rise as being not only naturally aspirated but also the last (aside from a few 575's) manual 12 cylinder cars, after the news is officially verified by Ferrari? Just curious. Would like to know what enthusiast and expert have heard or think.
     
  2. flash32

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    We already seen already double of 550 values at low point and peak ..I think it can only go up in time for sure ..stick and NA and V12

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  3. henryr

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    they are million dollar cars....
     
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  4. G. Pepper

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    There's no place for the 550 and manual 575M's to go but up.
     
  5. Bluebottle

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    I don't see that any such announcement will affect values of 550s. Not sure it will even do a lot for 812/F12s, which should be the main beneficiary as the last NA V12s - the 488 going turbo didn't suddenly up the values of 458s, did it?

    550s will, however, continue to rise over time. There will always be the occasional "consolidation", as we have seen in the last couple of years, but, as Dominick says, they are already on their upward journey.
     
  6. Themaven

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    Being an owner of a 550 and a manual 575, I'd love it if they were million dollar cars. However the harsh reality is that they are (roughly) 80-250,000 dollar cars now, and that's asking prices.

    You can get a good 550 in Europe now for 70k euros/60k GBP/80k USD, like this one

    https://suchen.mobile.de/fahrzeuge/details.html?id=256191555&damageUnrepaired=NO_DAMAGE_UNREPAIRED&isSearchRequest=true&makeModelVariant1.makeId=8600&makeModelVariant1.modelId=33&pageNumber=1&scopeId=C&sortOption.sortBy=searchNetGrossPrice&sortOption.sortOrder=ASCENDING&searchId=6deb7c4e-f954-965b-68d5-fb2e1074be3b

    And a less good one for less.

    Not wanting to burst our bubble but that's a long way from a million dollars. A manual HGTC SuperAmerica is not too far off that level, but for the 3000 or so standard 550s around - where will all that pent-up demand come from? I hope it does, but can't see it right now.
     
  7. Bluebottle

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    Darius, I think that the £60K car you cite is probably priced to take into account a fairly restricted market due to its colour scheme, which is not to everyone's taste: yellow is not the best of colours on a 550, but when you team it with an all red interior . . . . :eek: Definitely need sunglasses for that one!

    Funnily enough I saw a Maserati Grancabrio on the assembly line at Modena which was being finished in just the same colour scheme - maybe for the same customer!

    However, I agree with the gist of your point - prices have definitely dropped back from the figures being bandied about a couple of years ago.

    Nothing much under £100K in RHD, but that's still more than twice what I paid for mine in 2012. I think £1 million is probably achievable . . . . just not in my lifetime!
     
  8. G. Pepper

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    I'd like to find a yellow 612 for just that reason. Nobody but me would probably want it. :)
     
  9. Bluebottle

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    With an all red interior?
     
  10. Graz

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    I remember a line in the movie “Wall Street” where Martin Sheen says “Money is only something you need if you don’t die tomorrow.” The point is if you need the money right now sell the car. If not the 550 will appreciate over time like the market. It’s seen it’s low point already and will gradually climb in value. Hold on and it will reward you.
     
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  11. G. Pepper

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    I would insist on a reasonable price. :)
     
  12. Bluebottle

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    Exactly!;)
     
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    I have been thinking of posting an observation I have recently made, but didn't know where it would fit. This thread seems custom made. If you look at Ebay "sold" listings, you will find that 12 360's have been sold since March 29th, which seems to be the longest time Ebay keeps records. Prices ranged from $49,100 to something near $80,000. I can't tell for sure because Ebay only states "best offer accepted" without disclosing the price. During that same time period, not one 550 or 575 was sold. I'm not sure what this means. Will some 360 owners accept what a buyer will pay, but 550/575 sellers will not? Is it because 360's generally sell for less? (although $80,000 is getting near to the low end of the 575 market). Or is it just because there are more 360's for sale? (still, 12 sold vs. 0 for 550/575 seems out of proportion to the total number of cars built or offered for sale).

    I don't know what this means, but I sure would like to hear other's opinions. If I were going for a Doctorate in sociology, I would choose this topic for my dissertation.
     
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  14. davidoloan

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    Maybe in the long term, but right now they are going down.
     
  15. F355 Fan 82

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    They made 16,000+ 360s and only 2000 575s and 3000 550s. There's give or take 600 or less 575 coupes ever sent to the US, so there is a very small number even here to begin with in comparison to how many 360s are for sale. 360s are still awesome, really one of my favorite bodies ever, but there's just way more of them. I bought my 575 last november, the dealer I bought mine from had 2, one was mine and the other had half the miles but didn't have shields and the interior was black vs the tan with red inserts I got. That car is still for sale 8 months later.......Id say when you're buying a rare car like a 575, contrary to what some will say about it being rare, it is, Ferrari made less 575 than 246 GT and thats a "rare" car, so when you're buying it you want the exact spec you want and some cars will sit for a long time bc the spec is just not what the limited pool of buyers is looking for.

    I wanted these seats, and right now there's 8 red 575 maranellos for sale on ebay and not one has these seats, so for me it took me months of waiting till this came up.
     

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    I haven't seen a manual 575M sell for a while, but they are certainly not going down. They are already way more valuable than the F1's.
     
  18. sixcarbs

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    And the Daytona was the last front engine V12 2-seater Ferrari,.....until they brought it back with the 550.

    NA V12's can come back. Nothing is permanent.
     
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  19. F355 Fan 82

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    I really cant grasp my head around why Ferrari the company doesnt just launch sticks again and charge $50k more since the pigs are willing to pay for it. Porsche brought back the stick in the GT3 now. In the old days sticks were less money but now people want to pay a premium, awesome have at it. If I was invested in RACE I'd be at the annual shareholder meeting screaming about how they're missing a huge market opportunity.
     
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    Right, John, just about the time a litre of petrol is ten quid :-(
     
  21. Texas Forever

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    My uninformed guess is the ask is too high. Just looked at fleabay, and most 550s are north of $150k. Perhaps they are selling offline, but it is an automatic turnoff for me when a seller asks for a silly price. Why waste time?


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  22. ReyF

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    As long as sales stay up and some buyers are ponying up the extra cash layout for custom made special models there will be no need for manuals. You would be surprised how little manuals they would probably sell. Probably not worth the investment.
     
  23. Bluebottle

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    Even bigger turnoff is when they don't quote a price at all - POA stand for Piss Off Already as far as I am concerned.
     
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  24. F355 Fan 82

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    If anything it would put a halt to the ridiculousness we're seeing on the used car market for manuals. It's just insane to me, ferrari of palm beach has my exact same car, I paid $104k last november they're asking $399k bc its got a stick? I can OEM convert mine to a stick for $30-40k. Sticks cost less than F1 thats why back in 2002 the 575 F1 was I believer $12k more and nobody really wanted a stick, now they're $200-300k more? I just think Ferrari should make it an option again, if people are willing to pay more for it in 2018, why not, the GT3 are $200k+ now with a stick.
     
  25. Texas Forever

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    I love Fantasy Junction. I have been browsing their website for years, but I always laugh when I look at their ask. Maybe they get it, but maybe they don't.
     

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