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NASCAR COT-nationwide and Cup

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  1. GuyIncognito

    GuyIncognito Nine Time F1 World Champ
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    #1 GuyIncognito, Oct 15, 2010
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    The NASCAR COT is racing tonight in the Nationwide race at Charlotte. the cars are as follows:

    Dodge- Challenger
    Ford- Mustang
    Chevy- Impala
    Toyota- Camry

    in the Cup series, the COT lineup (now a few seasons old) is this:
    Dodge - Charger
    Ford- Fusion
    Chevy - Impala
    Toyota - Camry

    now I find it interesting that Dodge & Ford run different models in the two series, and Chevy & Toyota run the same model. Is it a coincidence that Chevy & Toyota win most of the races? Will there be a synergy of aero data between the two series for Chevy & Toyota, putting Dodge and Ford at a further disadvantage?

    Also, are these lineups "fixed" or could Ford develop a Mustang Cup car, Dodge a Charger nationwide car? obviously this is just a silhouette series so perhaps it doesn't matter?

    And why no Camaro in either series? FWIW, I think the Challenger nationwide car looks badass.
     
  2. ferraripete

    ferraripete F1 World Champ

    i really believe the line-ups are fixed. toyota can dominate all year long until the chase...then it's all gm!
     
  3. BartonWorkman

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    Yawn, snore...

    What? Who's there?

    BHW
     
  4. thirteendog

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    Kind of disappointed in this thread. I expected more responses :(

    Honestly looking at the Nationwide COT the Dodge/Ford have a huge disadvantage. The front ends have a huge cavity that would not be considered aero effective lol. The Toyota/Chevrolet are still using the old car and although they aren't able to use the ground effects package the nose is much more streamlined.

    Honestly I don't understand why any of the manufacturers stay in NASCAR. It was once a great investment in brand recognition and R&D. Now it's just the same car going around the track with a different sticker. :-( The engines are technically made by the different manufacturers but all in all they're the same too.
     
  5. GuyIncognito

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    me too :(

    I thought the same thing but wasn't sure if that was just an optical illusion..they do have a certain "brick-ish" quality to it.
     
  6. URY914

    URY914 Formula Junior

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    I hear they are getting rid of the cars and going to FI sometime soon. What about the silly dump gas cans? Will some crew member have to be toasted before they use a hose with a dry break set up?
     
  7. handfore

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    I agree with you. The concept, in fact everything about NASCAR is still so much the saaaaame... It's high time they show us something new.
     
  8. GuyIncognito

    GuyIncognito Nine Time F1 World Champ
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    what? you don't like identical sound-bite drivers driving identical cars in races that always manage to have a caution with 20 to go that leads to a green-white-checker finish?

    :eek:

    :rolleyes:

    :)
     
  9. BartonWorkman

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    You nailed it Guy.

    When there is a series like NASCAR and everything is
    same-same-same and sanitized down to the inth degree,
    the only thing left for them to do is create all this
    "manufactured drama" (Bruton Smith's words) to keep
    interest and the reason for this 24/7 hype machine
    they've got on Speed and elsewhere.

    So, they're putting street version noses on the COTs
    now to give the cars some street car recognition. This
    may make the manufactures happy but on the track it's
    not going to mean anything.

    They'd better hope Hamlin wins the championship because
    if Johnson wins it a fifth consecutive time, this same-same-same
    theroy will be reinforced 100-fold.

    BHW
     
  10. rydermike

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    1)I like the fact that Ford & Dodge at least 1) have a car that closer relates to the appearance of the street cars , VERY dissappointed Chevy & Toyota chose the easy way out.

    2) Whats wrong with dump cans ? They are MUCH cheaper than a fuel rig , take up less space in the hauler , as well as have less crap associated woth them to haul around ( 2- 55 gallon drums, and the hand pump not to mention the wieght of the 55 gallon drum of fuel that will be at LEAST half full when you leave the track ( Fuel rigs work best when full at the begginning of the fuel stop , as the wieght of fuel on top helps push the fuel going into the car faster ). No long fuel hoses to be in a crewmember's way , FAR less fuel in the vincinity in the event a fire does break out , actually HALF as much ! Why not use dump cans in roadracing? Can't the find strong & athletic enough crew to lift and handle them?

    3) I'd like to see Nationwide cars use a different brand tire , so there is less reason for the 'cup guys coming down , as there would be less to translate to thier race . Yes different rubber on the track does cause some diferent handling when next series gets on track until the rubber wears off , but they are proffessionals , and can deal with it.
     
  11. GuyIncognito

    GuyIncognito Nine Time F1 World Champ
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    a few years back there were rumors that Michelin wanted in as official tire supplier, and at the time NASCAR was suggesting they would start by taking over the truck or Nationwide series first. nothing ever came of it, though.
     
  12. handfore

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    LOL, its funny how you just described ever race Ive ever watched on speed waiting for F1 to come on
     

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