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  1. HotShoe

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    I was wondering if there are any NCRS judges or experts here. :)

    I'm restoring a '67 Corvette to NCRS specs and have a question on the chassis finish.

    I'm using the asphalt based paint as per original but I'm curious what the judging standard is regarding correct texture. Should it be glass smooth or can it have a very slight texture to it? I am familiar with the gloss standards but no where does it mention texture.

    Any help is appreciated.
     
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  2. Eric R

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    I wish I knew the answer. What I can recommend is contacting your local NCRS chapter where it will be judged and ask them to send you the judging checklist. I owned a NCRS Top Flight and Bloomington Gold Corvette and got all the documentation with it. Was fascinating to review all the docs he put together to get there. I would imagine this issue would be on the checklist. Good luck!
     
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  3. gtjoey

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    Call Kevin Mckay on long island,he knows it all.....
     
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  4. Ah53

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    There is an NCRS web site but you must be a member, about $45. The corvette Forum is free and I'm fairly sure you will find your answer. Many vette guys are members on both sites.

    Joe
     
  5. gtjoey

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    page 128 of my old ncrs judge guide........SEMI GLOSS BLACK!
    That's 1966 should be the same as 63/67
     
  6. of2worlds

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    The frame was painted semi gloss black with no texture. One further detail the body wheelwells got undercoat before being lowered onto the frame but that was all.
     
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  7. HotShoe

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    From Long Island Corvette Supply?

    I'm a member of the NCRS and have posted this there as well. Lots of info on gloss level but not much info on the asphalt paint.

    I have the correct gloss down. It's just the question of application.

    From my research I have found that the '67 chassis was originally suspended over a tub. A guy at each end sprayed the chassis down with the asphalt coating from a 2" hose. It was then flipped and repeated. Then it was racked to dry. Based on this one would assume it was heavily covered with multiple runs. No difinitive answer however.
     
  8. gtjoey

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    MY ORIGINAL 66 HAD A COUPLE OF HEAVY RUNS, but I was talking about Kevin Mckay restorations in Valley Stream.
    Good luck.
    GTJOEY1314
     
  9. of2worlds

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    No, he has Corvette Repair Inc.

    Different guy who owns Long Island Corvette Supply has one of only two 1967 Corvettes built with the optional 36 Gallon fuel tank. As I recall the car was white with a bright blue interior and not a bb but a 350HP sb version.

    Interesting about the 2 inch hose!
     
  10. gtjoey

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    The number is 1 516 568 1959 ask for Kevin and say GTJOEY sent you , We went to school together a LLLLLOOOONG time ago.
    One thing I can say his work is the best.
    GTJOEY1314
     
  11. 375+

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    Do you know Steve Buscemi as well?
     
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  12. gtjoey

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    Not sure.......
     
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    Steve Buscemi the actor, I believe that he was a classmate of Kevin's.
     
  14. gtjoey

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    Yes , Now I understand.....
     
  15. LARRYH

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    I have used Chuck Berge for this purpose for the last 15 years he is a long time NCRS master judge and will travel anywhere to look at corvettes for a few he is a straight shooter and is one of the most experienced and knowledgeable experts there isand he is a nice guy a stright shooter .... HE will help advise in a restoration etc...Pm me for his number.

    Regarding the best corvette restorer while Kevin does fine I think Naber brothers in Houston area is considered the best...
     
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    The Naber brothers restored what I think is the ultimate 1967 Corvette - which is a red on red 427 L88 coupe. Some details for background on this one of one L88 Corvette in this color combination. Their restoration work speaks for itself >

    This car’s history
    This red L88 was ordered through Mike Savoie Chevrolet on Woodward Avenue in Birmingham, MI (Zone 44, dealer 405). With help from a well-placed GM executive, a friend of the dealership owner’s family got this car even though the dealership had been in business only one year. Immediately after getting the car (which was equipped with 4:56 gears; only five were so ordered out of 23,000 Corvettes built in ’67), it went to the local drag strips and ran unbeaten for three years.

    It had to run in the modified class since camshafts from the car’s sponsor, General Kinetics, were used and replaced weekly to provide and maintain its record-setting ETs and speed through the traps.

    After three years of running at 10/10ths of redline, the motor blew up, and the car was sold to its second owner.

    The third owner was Maxie Reamer, an automotive instructor at a vocational school in the Detroit area. At some point, the brakes became an issue, and when the dual-pin calipers were removed, he noticed they were unique. Reamer took them to his friend Werner Meier, a GM engineer. Meier suggested that Reamer drop the gas tank to view the build sheet and determine what else came on this car. He did so and discovered it to be one of the 20 L88s.

    It changed hands for the fourth time at about $175,000. This seller provided a next-to-impossible-to-find motor to go with the car: a complete, GM, across-the-counter, L88 long block from Chevrolet. Every casting date, casting number and date code preceded the build date of the red car. It was the perfect replacement and new in every respect. The pad surface was stamped “IT,” indicating the purpose-built designation for the L88. I’ve dealt with a lot of Corvettes, and I’ve never seen a factory long block like this before or since.

    The VIN number of this red car (15971) was purposefully NOT stamped on the pad, as is usual and customary from the factory; it remains in that state today.

    At this point, the car was sold again (for the fifth time) to Gary and Ken Naber for Ray Norvell, their client from Nevada. Some of the finest, most unusual Corvettes ever built have passed though Ray’s hands. It was at this point the car was meticulously restored by the Nabers Brothers and subsequently taken to Bloomington Gold.

    “Corvette Mike” Vietro also counted Ray as an excellent customer, ended up acquiring the car from him and selling it to a significant Ferrari/car collector in the San Diego area (the car’s sixth owner).

    After a year of ownership, the San Diego collector ended up selling it for about $320,000 to a seventh owner in the Eastern U.S., where it remained until its new owner bought it at Barrett-Jackson for $3,850,000. in 2014.

    Again, that’s a big number. But if the car had still been fitted with its factory-installed L88, it would be worth even more.

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    Great story. The Chevrolet dealer still exists but in a different location. Awesome car.
     
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  18. 375+

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    Chuck Berge is the chief 68/69 judge, why would you recommend him for a 67?
     
  19. gtjoey

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    McKay or Naber, its splitting hairs of two restorers that make the car 1000 times better than new.
    Drive them baby the gas is running out!
    gtjoey1314
     
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    This car belonged to a friend of mine he is the 7th owner he bought it as it says for around 300 i remember thinking he was nuts cause at the time that was big bucks for the car but it worked out pretty good. The same owner had three other L88 corvettes at the time in fact I bought my L88 from him a survivor 1968 ...
     
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  21. LARRYH

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    He is very knowledgeable of all the early corvettes and he will give straight up guidance as the op asked.
     
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    Larry thank you for those very interesting details. Can you share the specs (color combination) for the survivor 1968 Corvette L88?
    Several Canadians tried to order an L88 Corvette in 1968 but GM refused to sell the L88 into Canada. There were no 1967 L88 Corvettes sold new into Canada according to the GM shipping records. The excuse they used was that the gasoline here in Canada was not of sufficient octane quality that the car would run properly. I guess they never thought we got Sunoco 260 here. Someone was persistent and was told to wait until the 1969 L88's came out as there were some improvements coming for the engine cylinder heads. So a Daytona Yellow roadster (with the painted hardtop) did arrive in 1969 for the buyer. Two other L88 cars, both coupes in white and blue were also delivered in 1969. The yellow roadster eventually went to B.C. and the white coupe (sold new into Quebec) went to PA in the states. The blue coupe disappeared...
     
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    Although he is located about a thousand miles from you in Maryland, you might want to contact Tony Avedisian. He has made presentations at NCRS and just released a book on Z06 Corvettes. He is quite familiar with Corvettes from C1 to present. You might want to google his shop number (Tony's Corvette Shop) and give him a phone call. He would probably be willing to chat with you about your question. Hope this helps.
     
  24. LARRYH

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    The car I had I sold a couple of weeks after my friends sold the red 67 .. IT was a maroon 68 coupe .. with the original engine and drivetrain . had duntov award, Bloomington gold (3 times ) and Bloomington survivor (2 times) along with a host of other awards . I had more documentation on that car including original owner information and even contacted him he lived in Minnesota I think and he sent me a bunch of stuff including old pictures and drag strip slips (it had a 4:56 and ran in the 11s back in 68).. Anyway I bought the car had it around 6 years was really an amazing car I actually drive it some but it was a true race car for the street a real beast... I loved it..but L88s had hit a good selling point and I decided to sell....
     
  25. of2worlds

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    Larry thank you for sharing those details, that sounds exciting. Certainly a real commitment on your part to show your car and have it judged at all those events. Chasing down the history for a special Corvette can be a huge challenge. One enterprising individual used an old bill from the water company he found in the car to help locate the original owner of a big tank 1966 Corvette.
    The recognition for your efforts with all those awards for your 1968 Corvette L88 back then must have been a real thrill!
     
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