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Discussion in 'Ferrari Discussion (not model specific)' started by DBR328&330, Mar 30, 2004.

  1. DBR328&330

    DBR328&330 Formula Junior

    May 31, 2001
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    Daniel Reese
    I am just beginning to search for a series 2 330 GT 2+2. So I can keep it indoors I need to buy a lift so I can stack my 328 above the 330. I've seen several in Hemmings. Does anybody have a recommendation?

    BTW anyone know of a non red non black 330 for sale?

    Thanks
     
  2. BWS550

    BWS550 Wants to be a mod

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  3. Spasso

    Spasso F1 World Champ
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    www.Autolifters.com, model M6, 4-post. Heavy duty, commercial grade, built in USA, sealed bearings etc. Good for SAFE storage.
    They are having a sale on them reg price 2395.00, now going for 1995.00.

    My buddy got one for his TR, works like a champ.

    Mine delivers next Monday.

    DJ
     
  4. BJS

    BJS Formula Junior

    Jan 18, 2004
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    I'll second the 'vote' for AutLifters. I purchased an M6 in 1999 and am a very satisfied customer!
     
  5. Doody

    Doody F1 Veteran

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    fwiw, i have done a ridiculous amount of research into a dozen different storage lift companies. i'm planning to buy two or three of them once my new garage is built (i'm no longer fighting with the Conservation Commission, now i'm fighting with the Board of Health - it never ends!). so i haven't bought one and don't own one, so keep that in mind.

    i've narrowed it down to either AutoLifters (cf. above) or Revolution Lifts, which is a division of the commercial Rotary Lifts company.

    keep us all posted.

    doody.
     
  6. parkerfe

    parkerfe F1 World Champ

    Sep 4, 2001
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    I have a 4 poster from www.teamlift.com . I paid $2600 for the lift, delivery and installation. I am pleased with it and park my Boxer on top and my M5 below with a 10 ft. ceiling with no problem.
     
  7. Doody

    Doody F1 Veteran

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    my advice is to do your research. the construction standards of these lifts vary wildly.

    one important piece of data is that they ALL sell for the SAME price. negotiate.

    every guy who knows how to work steel seems to be making one of these things. build quality varies substantially between manufacturers.

    doody.
     
  8. DBR328&330

    DBR328&330 Formula Junior

    May 31, 2001
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    Thanks guys!

    BJS,

    I note your TR6 is real close to the garage door motor. Mine is too low now but can get the garage door people to raise it 21" by adding a panel to the door etc. This would leave 112" floor to the bottom of the motor. The 328 is 42" high and the 330 is 53" high= 95" for the cars plus 17" for space between cars. The motot sits above the highest point of the car. Would this give me enough room? Also how wide is your lift and who installed it?

    Dan
     
  9. BJS

    BJS Formula Junior

    Jan 18, 2004
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    At the bottom of this post see the graphics I grabbed from the www.autolifters.com site - you'll find them on the "Helpful Info" page at the Autolifter site.

    For dimensions of the lift itself, go to www.autolifters.com/m6.html and hover your cursor over "Side View" and "Top View".

    Their height calculations call for:
    Height of bottom car (actually height of lowest locking point above car)
    +
    6" for ramp (4" of steel, plus 2" of lifting needed to release the locks)
    +
    Height of top car
    =
    Total clearance needed.

    In your case the minumum needed is 107"
    - Gives you 6" of room between your 42" tall 328
    - Add another 6" for the ramp & lift amount needed to unlock
    - Plus the overall height of the 330

    You should have 4" to spare. That assumes your garage motor sicks smack over the highest point of the 330. Sound like you'll have the room.

    The picture of my garage is deceiving. Since the lift is on one side of a 2-stall garage, the motor isn't above the TR6 at all (it's actually centered between the lift and the Maser in the other stall). Since my garage is pretty deep, I was able to move the lift forward, giving me even more clearance because the garage door doesn't reach far enough forward to contact the tallest point on the TR6. You may be able to do the same to give more clearance for the 330.

    A couple of other 'tricks' may help. At my last house, I backed the top car onto the lift because the hood was lower than the trunk - the picture below shows just that method. Another trick is to not allow the garage door to travel to the full open position -- that may stop the top of the door right over the trunk of your 330, before it would hit the back window. I've done that too, when I had a different car on top.

    I installed the lift myself, with the help of a few friends and 12-pack. The same group helped me dismantle it and reinstall it at the new house. It takes about 4.5 hours the first time, 3 hours when you know what you're doing.

    Look closely at the safety and quality features called out on the AutoLifter's site and compare to some of the other lifts. Those features swayed me in favor of the Autolifter unit -- I have no regrets.

    Brad
     
  10. Pantera1523

    Pantera1523 Formula Junior

    Mar 17, 2004
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    Brad,

    Thanks for sharing your experience with the lifts.. I too am starting my quest for a lift to stack my new (to me) 308 and my Pantera.

    I can't tell from looking at the pictures but are your posts bolted to the concrete or are they free standing? I'm assuming bolted down ismuch safer but I thought I had read somewhere that it is not required with these lifts. Is that true?

    Scott
     
  11. BJS

    BJS Formula Junior

    Jan 18, 2004
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    Scott, the four-post lifts do not need to be bolted to the floor. In fact, I purchased the optional wheel kit for mine and can move the lift around while a car is raised a couple of feet.

    One other thought, there's no special floor thickness requirements with four-post lifts - frequently, the two-post lifts require a thicker concrete base than you'll find in most residential garages.

    Brad
     
  12. Pantera1523

    Pantera1523 Formula Junior

    Mar 17, 2004
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    Great! Thanks for the info...

    Hmm.. now to go try and take some decent measurements to see how I can make it fit. I think I too will have to back the top car on. But the two I am stacking are similar shapes so hopefully it will work in my garage.

    In my case the ceiling is not the issue... there is a load bearing beam running across the garage. It is not centered on the ceiling though... it is closer to the garage door opening and is about where the top of the door stops when it is fully opened. Looks like I have about 5-6 more inches of clearance if I can get someone out to modify my garage door to open closer to that beam.

    As it stands now with the door open I have 7' 6" of clearance...

    Thanks again,
    Scott
     
  13. parkerfe

    parkerfe F1 World Champ

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    I had my www.teamlift.com lift bolted to the floor for safety and stability reasons. What good would wheels on it be anyway ? Any time I lift my car up I would be in the garage anyway. I highly recommend that you have the installer bolt it to yout garage floor.
     
  14. battman

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    Dec 1, 2003
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    I just purchased a Pro Park 7 lift, and am very pleased with it. It seems very stable with a car on it and came with a jacking tray, 3 drip pans and the caster kit mentioned above.

    The toughest part was getting the "kit" off the delivery truck at my residence. The driver and I pondered many ideas, and in the end we ended up winching the 1500lb kit part way off the truck, then we took it apart, removed the pieces we could carry by hand, and I moved the 2 long tracks off with an engine hoist. It was an ordeal, but the driver was jovial about the whole thing.

    The assembly was very easy, but I would recomment either an engine hoist or a few friends that are regular gym goers...

    I would change 2 minor things though...(I think) all of these lifts have a single point 'release' lever that disengages the mechanical locks so the lift can be lowered. The sinlge lever is connected via steel rods to the 4 locks...thus, one long rod travels down the length of the lift. Mine consisted of a 3' long piece that attaches from the front of the lift and around a 12' long piece that has to attach from the back (they connect via a threaded sleve in the middle). Thus, to get this 12' long rod in, you need 12' of space behind the lift...as this is one of the last steps in assembly, I all ready had my lift pretty much in place, which is to say, back against the wall...so I'm all for that caster kit, which I used to spin the lift in my 2 car garage so I coudl get the steel rod in.

    Secondly, the motor/oil res sticks out about 12" from the pole of your choice. This seemed like a waste to me, so I fabed up a hinge system that allows you to have the motor/oil res either totally away from the lift tracks (while driving a car on it) or right next to the tracks (so it's out of the way for the next car over).

    I'm currently parking a 328 (which I think is 44.4" high) over (or under) a BMW M3 e36 (which is 53")...remember that you are stuck with the mechanical lock heights from the factory (unless you can weld and trust yourself), so for me, I needed to add about 10" (which includes the lift and the next higher locking point above either car. So my total was about 110".

    Good luck, Battman
     
  15. DBR328&330

    DBR328&330 Formula Junior

    May 31, 2001
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    Thank you, BJS!! Sounds like it is a go. Need to work on lighting also, then find the right car. I'll keep you posted.

    Dan
     
  16. Spasso

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    An advantage to having the wheel kit for your lift is so you can reposition it as required in case you rearrange tools or equipment in the shop. You might want to move it to another bay or in my case I may shove it outside on those nice days when I don't want to be cooped up in the garage while working on my car.

    Beware. Not all 4-posters are designed for freestanding use. It is required for some to be bolted down. There is a picture on the Autolifters site of a fork truck ramming a leg out of position with the car on the lift. It is designed for shear loads while in use without having the pads bolted down. Looks pretty safe to me.

    DJ
     

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