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**NEED ADVICE ON REPLACING TIMING BELTS ON A 79 308 GTB

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  1. christopher

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    Hello "F"-Chatters,

    I almost feel guilty posting this because I reailze this question has been covered "to death." After reviewing the many horror stories on the damage caused by not replacing the timing belts.........I'm scared straight!!!!!

    I recently took off the timing belt cover only to find that the belts probably have never seen replacement (the factory yellow ink/paint still on the gear bolts and Ferrari belts). Now, I would say that for a car with 17,500 miles that is 25 years old, I can't ask much more of those belts. The problem that I'm having is that I extremely picky, anal, detailed, etc.when it comes to people wotking on my car. I turn into a wreck, thus I've resorted to working on my car. My mechaical aptitude in auto repair is fair, I read a lot and understand how best to follow procedures concerning repair. Can anyone give me any helpfull tips/hints etc. on taking on this job & steps? Maybe even some pics?

    I would be very greatfull!!!

    Respectfully, Chris L.
     
  2. Wayne 962

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    4re gt4 Formula 3

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    Search the old archives. Rob Garven detailed the proceedure fairly well.
     
  4. BigTex

    BigTex Seven Time F1 World Champ
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    Just because they have factory label doesn't mean they are original issue.

    The new ones should have the label too, after all.
    Tensioner bearings should be replaced at the same time.

    Good Luck!
     
  5. seschroeder

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    There is more to this than simply replacing the belts. The cam belt drive spockets most also be carefully inspected as the bearing go bad. If this happens the belts can/will skip one or more teeth with very, very bad results.
    If the drive spocket bearings are bad the oil pan must come off in order to replace the bearings.
     
  6. christopher

    christopher Formula 3

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    Just a quick "thanks" to all that replied

    I dunno which is worst, letting the t-belts go, causing major engine damage, in the future, or replacing them myself and possibly risk incorrect installation thus resulting major engine damage!!!! Actullay, I'm joking, the obvious is the route to go! Thanks again!

    chris.
     
  7. Dave

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    Don't forget to adjust your valves as well.
     
  8. 308 GTB

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    Christopher,

    I recently had my 308 GTB in for a major service. My mechanic put his own yellow check marks in those same places. So yours might not necessarily be the factory marks.

    If you cannot obtain you car's service records and the previous owner had not changed the belts and tensioners, then the 5 year rule can be applied. Change the belts and tensioners and drive with confidence.

    Barry
     
  9. Peter

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    That's a very healthy looking engine there Barry. Were the shocks and the gas tanks recently restored/refinished? They look great.

    As far as the yellow paint marks on fasteners, I was always under the impression that that signified the bolt/nut has been torqued to a certain requirement. If you look elsewhere around the engine bay and car, you'll find other, non-critical fasteners which are not marked by yellow paint.
     
  10. 308 GTB

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    Hi Peter,

    I recently had a major service done. In addition, the clutch was rebuilt as I had a partially-seized pilot bearing. Symptoms were intermittent difficulty getting into gear after start up. I would have to switch off the engine, put the car into either 1st or reverse and restart. Even with the clutch pedal all the way down, the car would creep slowly in the direction selected. I wound up replacing the main shaft as there was excessive wear on that part which fits into the bearing. As long as I was doing all that, I changed the throw-out bearing and clutch plate which had ~50% wear. Now I know how the car shifted when it was new.

    I also changed all the original suspension bushings (they were shot) and 2 new front shocks were installed (they were original shocks and on their way out). The rear shocks were replaced 2 years before I bought the car, about 4 1/2 years ago and so they still look pretty new.

    My mechanic uses a yellow marker for all his check marks and so they do not indicate torque values. It's his way of knowing what he did previously the next time he services the car. The gas tanks were never refinished. He power washed things as he did the servicing. While he had the suspension apart, he refinished the suspension arms and sway bars. the car looks new underneath while up on the lift.

    Barry
     
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  12. christopher

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    Hey Barry,

    Thank you for the pics and the advice that's what I was looking for!!!

    Thanks, Chris. Oh, what year is you 308????
     
  13. Gianluca

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    Chris, as other have suggested, if you just do the belts, then I guess keeping the engine in would be ok.
    I was in a similar situation and I took the engine out. With the help of other members of Fchat, it was a fairly simple job and it made the various replacements of hoses, belts, bearings, seals and gaskets and the cleaning and valve adjustment an easy job.
    Never worked on a car before in my life but, just like you, can follow directions and have common sense when it comes down to mechanical issues.
    Mostly done with cheap Harbor Freight tools and some Craftsman.
    See the engine before and after pictures.

    http://ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=13991
     
  14. Sean F.

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    I found the hardest part about replacing my belts and bearings to be getting the damned AC out of the way. You can actually roll it over into the wheel well and not have to bleed it, or remove the gas tank. Both of which are big PITA for a DIY'r.

    You'll have to double nut and remove some of the studs in the engine block but it can be done (I know, I did it). Once you get them out, and also take out the vapor separator and associated fuel lines above the gas tank, you should have enough slack in the AC lines to roll the compressor over the gas tank and into the wheel well. Now you can remove the belt cover, belts, etc. with ease. Best of all, you don't have to drain any fuel in your garage and remove the gas tank, nor worry about losing/replacing R-12 (unless the AC unit slips in your hand, smacks against the belt cover and all the refrigerant leaks out past the seal you just broke on the compressor pulley wheel - ask me how I know about this!!!).
     
  15. Peter

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    Wow, that's great that they were in such good shape and were only cleaned. I restored my gas tanks since the covering had chipped off, plus there was overspray from a previous paint job.
     
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    Peter,

    Things were pretty clean in there even before he power-washed.

    Barry
     
  18. BoxerCrazy

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    i just finished changing the timing belts on my 1992 ducati 907ie.....

    does that count??

    just kidding(about it being the same,i really did change them,as i bought it they had never been changed,it was just sitting in a garage in pieces for the last 6 years)

    doug
     
  19. christopher

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    Hey Barry,

    Nice car, thanks for the pics! Whqat year is your 308???

    Thanks, Chris.
     
  20. 308 GTB

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    1976 Fiberglass, Christopher.
     
  21. christopher

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    How many miles on her??

    Chris.
     
  22. 308 GTB

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    Thanks, Chris. 26,000 miles.

    Barry
     

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