FM- The difference in acceleration between an OTO and early 08 would be pretty much indistinguishable with an owner rear end dynamometer or stopwatch. The owner might notice quicker shifts at full throttle, and smoother shifts everywhere else, but not much else. Once rolling, the F430 and a 612 accelerate about the same.
Thank you all for your help. I think I will move forward with an inspection and see what materializes, and see if they work with me on the price.
So, I was talking to the independent inspector guy over in Scottsdale and he was saying that the 612 is still depreciating (which I knew) and that the 550s and 575s are starting to appreciate (which I didn't know at the time). He asked if I needed a 4 seater, and I said not really, I just liked how the car looked - very classy. He told me to look at the 550 and 575 as they would hold their value and such. I looked at the 575, and don't like it as much. I don't hate it, but it wouldn't be my first pick. I saw a red 2002 550 Maranello on ebay that was nice, but the price was about $100k, similar to this car. I still like how this 612 looks over the 550, plus the interior is newer and updated. I know that it will depreciate still, and won't know where it will settle - I am guessing $70k in 4 years from now, but that is an uneducated guess on my end, and just that - a guess. I know that many don't like the 612 because of its looks, but that is what I like. I mentioned this to the dealer, and said that the cars depreciate, then the 2 seaters go up in value first until they get expensive, then the 4 seaters generally follow. I think he was saying that they made only about 2-3k of the 550/575s, and about 3k of the 612s; whereas they made thousands more of the 430s. Now, I am not buying this car as an investment that will increase in value (but it would be nice if it did). I plan to keep it, and may sell it eventually if there is another Ferrari that I like. Should I be looking at the 550s instead? I know the answer is buy what you will like and what you will drive, but he put some doubt in my mind. Think I am over it now. Any thoughts?
There is a clear trend for the four seaters to depreciate more, and many die unloved deaths which is sad to me, and certainly to many. But I'd be careful about the generalization that this always has or always will be the case, or necessarily even will be the case for the 612. Look at pictures side by side of the Mondial, 456, 612, FF. Tell me what they have in common besides four seats? Each of the designs have been polarizing, that's what they have in common. But that fact alone does not speak to how the 612 in particular will be received in the decade to come. What does the 612 not have in common with the rest? It's gorgeous. For the record, motor in the 612 is the product of refinement from use in two prior models, the 550 and 575. So they're appreciating. So what? If they are, it's not by much. I have a buddy with a '94 550 that's been in pieces for more than a year getting a major. 612 is the better car, and it's much newer. You like it. What else matters? I love seeing 550's and 575's, but I don't care to own one. I love my 612, even though I'm selling it. I'd own a 612 again.
Opinions are like *******s..... We all have one. Go with what YOU like..... let the eventual values settle where they may. I have absolutely NO need for 4 seats but I love my 612 and would drive it every day if I didnt live downtown Chicago!
Some good points here. I think the 456 and 612 are beautiful cars that will eventually appreciate. The 365 GT4 2+2 / 400 / 412 were just dogs - probably a low point for Ferrari, to say the least. The FF is just plain <insert what ever explicative you prefer>; but, mechanically a very impressive car. The Mondial is interesting in that is is not a front-engined 2+2, but a mid-engined 2+2. I actually think the Mondial is very underrated and a really nice car for a enthusiast with small kids on a budget. Owners of these vehicles seem quite pleased with them and reliability is very good.
So, I test drove the 612. I can't believe how fast the car is and how well it handles. The sales guy was doing 90 and took a tight turn, and the car was on rails. I also see what everyone says with the auto shifting - it is a bit jerky like you are manually shifting with a clutch. Question on the windows. I played with all the buttons and such. When you roll down the windows, they do not go down all the way. Meaning the glass does not completely disappear into the door panel. There is just a little bit of glass that is left. This is same for both drivers and passengers doors. He said this is normal for this car. Is that correct? It doesn't bother me, I just want to make sure it is functioning correctly.
Question: the sales guy was driving? Did you drive the car at all? I would want to drive the car myself, before buying it. Just me.
Thank you. The sales guy drive for about 5 minutes to show me stuff about the car like shifting, buttons and such; as well crazy fast driving and handling. I then drove it on the highway, some bumpy roads, and such for about 25 minutes. I would hit the gas and before I knew it, I was doing 80 in what felt like 2 seconds. It's going to be hard to drive slow in that car. It was such an enjoyable drive. Amazing. First time behind a Ferrari, doesn't even come close to anything else I have ever driven..
I purchased my 2006 in July with 14000miles and currently have 18000miles on it. I have driven city and highway, originally driving all the way from Virginia to Canada with it FIrstly, let me say that the 612 is a true BARGAIN in terms of value. I looked at every 612 I could find advertised....and looked for over a year. The right number on a 2006 with 'up to date' service, copies of service records, clean carfax, and 20000 miles is around $95k. 15,000 miles $100k. If you pay a little too much, dont worry about it. Small price to pay for the right vehicle. Servicing a poor vehicle quickly reminds you of how much these cars were brand new. A service bill can easily be $10-20,000. Ferraris arent cheap to service! Number one when it comes to Ferrari and resale....especially with a 'conservative', 'family' car like the 612.....don't buy one with modifications, customization.....they are typicallu much more difficult to resell. Unless the modification is something like changjng wheels to Ferrari challenge wheels or something like that. I have had the benzs, bmws, etc. Nothing compares to a Ferrari. Dont be tempted by Maserati either....apples to oranges! And I dont think a car one or two years or three years older is worth the extra $30-50k. Bank the extra $. Just my humble opinion. Good luck. (Btw I have owned many ferraris over almost 20 yrs...so the 612 wasnt my first)
F40Carlo's post is 100% on the money! Except I think he meant to to say that "And I dont think a car one or two years or three years NEWER is worth the extra $30-50k. Bank the extra $." Of which I agree with the statement. That's not to say that the improvements in 2007, 2008 & 2009 don't make the car better - they do - but only incrementally so and not enough to justify the price versus a well cared for slightly older model.
Interesting... It seems all of the MT 612s were pretty much base models. I'm not aware of any MT HGTS or HGTC versions. Am I wrong?