Need history for a F355

I am looking to buy a 97 F355 spider 6speed MT that is 2000 miles away.

Can you guys help me search the VIN and tell me if the car seems clean?

VIN is ZFFXR48A5V0107904

Thank you!

 

I forgot to mention that I spoke to the dealer whom said he found a service record form 1200miles ago that showed belt and more (not sure exactly) and that he replaced the exhaust manifold with OEM himself. He believes the car as no re-spray and the interior is perfect.

 

Where is the car now, at Sanfer? It's been for sale for a while. Kessler was asking 77.9k, Sanfer is asking 79.8k. I'm guessing Kessler couldn't move it so they sold it to Sanfer. Car fax lists 8 owners but only 4 different tittle numbers. additional owners could be different dealers. https://www.carfax.com/VehicleHistory/p/Report.cfx?make=FER&vin=31%7C-9%7C95%7C-126%7C-5%7C6%7C-24%7C-76%7C-72%7C-64%7C0%7C33%7C106%7C-28%7C97%7C33%7C5%7C-36%7C-96%7C36%7C84%7C-18%7C-73%7C54%7C&dealer_id=95978&car_id=454944089&partner=ATD_W

Looks like Kessler picked it up in March of 2016 and it went to Sanfer Feb 2017.

 

So Sanfer told me he picked it up from "another dealer" (I assume Kessler) because he missed a payment on his LOC. So Sanfer worked with the bank a deal to buy 10-20 car (I believe) from him, Including this car.

Sanfer was nice to talk to.

Is there anyone on the forum that can get the service record for the car?

Also what do you think would be a good price for the car?


Thank you

 

Dealers are dealers they are not counted as owners.

When it shows new title registration that's a owner, doesn't even mean it's a new owner they could have just moved to another state like my 308 moved to mm I from nc but all Carfax said was new title/registration for mi.

Doesn't mean it was a new owner, take what Carfax says with a grain of salt, they don't care if it's accurate or not.

 

No spray? Any car worth considering should be inspected by an experienced body shop to confirm any claims such as that. Also to verify if the car has ever been in an accident.

 

Interesting to hear about Kessler. I didn't have a great experience with them.

 

Absolutely I just always try to do research prior to offering and then PPI.

 

I would pull my own carfax and autocheck. If you are serious about getting a car even if this is not it for you, just get the unlimited option.
Check the 355 registry.
Post here for other knowledge (like you did).
Ask the dealer if in the driver door jam there is a ferrari service sticker. Many ferrari places do this. If not, contact the dealers nearest the cities it has been registered. Imply it has bee serviced there and you'd like to get the service records for your new car. Some will do it. Be happy to offer to pay for their time if they have records. They WILL redact the owner info.

Sometimes you can figure out the previous owner depending on carfax (registration city) and just brushing up on your google foo and some luck. Dealers won't give you that data as they are not allowed.

Do your own research on the various ferrari forums. look for the last 6 of the vin and the color combo and regional forums.

etc.

Don't believe the dealer saying the interior is perfect. It's about perception. A 20 year old car with a worn bolster and some nicks in the leather is perfect to a dealer that see 120k mile buick's that are 10 years old and had a smoker as an owner. They consider age. You may not. Christy Brinkley is 62 and she is just WOW. but she isn't "perfect" like you might see a current highly Photoshop'd 20 year old european model.

Also, with your PPI you should get a mechanical compression test AND leak down. Do not settle for a pico test (electrical resistance compression test). This will be a spendy PPI and comp. Pay for it directly and you schedule it. You want the place doing the PPI to know you are the customer and not the dealer's. Also clearly ask them not to release the PPI info to the dealer (they will probably verbally tell them anyway).

My car is in great condition. Sherpa23 drove it and told me all about the issues. There was a list as there always is and I offered with those items in mind. At least two Ferrari Dealers inspected it plus the qualified mechanic at the exotic dealer. Said it was flawless and perfect and never seen better.....
Exhaust valve didn't open
10 rear and 12 front, year old tires
rims where horrifically painted over the top of powdercoat with little or no prep (so the paint was separating and showing the powerder coat below)
the CV boots were not only mildly cracked from heat but there was a huge tear in one (totally visible on a rack) due to some road debris.
Missing some emissions equipment
steering made a very scary clicking noise when turning while stopped
Some broken trim pieces in the interior (including unobtanium part)
gearbox leak (they told me)
other very minor seepage (they told me)
missing some panels (they told me)

Passed flawlessly. Was as good as new. Perfect. Never seen better (not just from the dealer but the ferrari service). Sure mine is in better shape than most but surely not flawless.

Am I being picky, hell yes. Did Sherpa23 tell me all of those things and more YES!!!!

Moral, have someone who knows these cars go with you or look independently. Someone who thinks like you. Did I have 10 years of sitting on this site, yes. 20 years drooling over 355's, yes. Know all about valve guides, cv boots, headers, engine out, blah blah , yes. Sherpa23 and the guys on this site like him (Dave Rocks, etc.) have had multiple ferraris and know exactly what they should drive like and feel like. I had never driven a 355 (308, 328, 360, 430, 458 sure, but not a 355)

The dealer originally wanted 92.5k and had dropped the price over 13 months. Through my research I found out what they actually paid. I offered less and they took it eventhough the ferrari dealer/service said the car passed and was awesome.

Sherpa23 also said to have 15k in cash ready to go. I was like well, yeah, sure. ok maybe.... But I did have the cash...

Most of the fixes were simple...
Not including the car, taxes, shipping and and PPI I have spend (nor ferrari clothes, binder, pen, magazines, club fees), just the car...

$10,066.97 in the last 60 days (and I was out of the country for 20 of them)
This includes....
annual fluids change (brake, wiper, oil, gearbox, filters, etc.)
miscellaneous parts, bolts, screws, clamps, gaskets, ferrari zip ties etc.
Full toolkit
Full car cover/seat/steering/bag kit
used shift ball
new ashtray
new pilot side window bezel
HE passenger foot rest
HE driver dead pedal
used factory floor mats (original run)
extra key
refinishing and sealing rims (previously powder coated)
all (few) rock chips fixed correctly by body shop (including polishing)
use steering wheel (existing needs to be re-wrapped)
New tires and ferrari stems
gearbox gasket, all 4 cv boots, gothspeed shields, new lug nuts, wiper blades, etc.
Also includes labor where needed.

Then add the capristo exhaust, new coils (for when needed), os sensor (for when needed),paint correction, leatherique, new stereo and speakers, and clear protection film over half the car...and there is another $8k +/-

Did I have to do all of that? nope. but at least $8k was required.

Have someone set eyes on the car. BTW my car is great. it was great when I got it and it's great with the fixes so far. I'll be taking it out today and tomorrow. I have only been able to put 300 miles on it since I got it 60 days ago. A 3 week trip, 5 weeks in the shops (paint, mechanic, detailer) and then some heavy rain has slowed me down. The previous 5 years the car did 600 miles total.

 

Thank you for all the comments.

I previously people on here pulling the entire history of the car?

Can anyone do that?

I am in Scottsdale and Penske dealer (Ferrari here) are the worst

 

I have no idea how you would pull the entire history of the car. That would be like going to Amazon to ask for all of your best buy purchase history. I don't believe Ferrari Dealers upload all of their maintenance to some Ferrari Database in Italy (they may send some items like recall fixes and warranty fixes). Even if they did, it is likely this car also had independent work as well (as many cars do). It'd be nice though.

 

I have seen it on here. In the classified someone posted a 599GTB and a member of the forum just listed most of the information about the car including some ECU tune etc.

 

SL55, I, like others here, aren't sure what you're asking for......

Some of that history comes with the service records, etc. On my 400i I have every record on the car since it came to the US in 1985....I could tell you what the car had done to it in 1989, who owned it through 1994, etc.....

There isn't some magic repository where all of this data is kept. So again, not really sure what you're asking for...or what you want the group to give to you.

 

As in Modis report? (If that's what it's called).

Started in 08.

Not sure what kind of info you could find on the older models.

 

Not sure if he is looking for this, Jim...but - if you provide your VIN to a dealer that can provide warranty claims, build data and recall stuff.

See these for my 98 F1 GTS
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Pretty neat! Didn't know that.

I wonder if the local dealer could even pull up anything considering my car was delivered in Canada.

 

I think so, Jim. I think that database is FNA. I've gotten these from a couple dealers for all my cars.

 

I'd be surprised if that database wasn't Ferrari worldwide to be honest, at least to pull up the production details.

 

And notice on the options list there! Pertinent to the other thread going on here about the 348SS, that option called out for the painted top on the 355 GTS. Cool.

 

Brian - you are probably correct although FNA sometimes seems to almost be a different company

 

Guys, This is the link to the classified of the 599:

http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/ferraris/542934-2007-599-gtb-red-black-motivated-sale.html

the post is on the first page.

This is what I was talking about

Thank you for the help

 

That's because it was for sale through Sheehan.....and he posts the history like that based upon the service history, carfax, etc. I could go through my records and post the same like that. There is no system that holds that information.

Here is the ad for that 599...click at the bottom for the "full history" but that is compiled from service records, etc by Sheehan.
http://www.ferraris-online.com/pages/carintro.php?reqcardir=FE-599GTB-154628

 

Got it Thank you