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Need some help on pads - Pagid doesn't know...

Discussion in '360/430' started by singletrack, May 9, 2014.

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  1. singletrack

    singletrack F1 Veteran

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    Need some help from fchat!

    As some have you may have read, I was attempting to order some RSC1 pads for the scud for my track day later this month. Pagid does not know if their product will fit and wants me to measure the stock pads.

    I've watched teachdocs great vids and see that he has fitted RSC1's to the front of his 16m. Does anyone know if the rear RSC1's actually fit the scud rotors? Are the front the exact correct size as well?

    Obviously, this is not confidence inspiring - I push my cars very hard at the track and am always trying to get better. I do not wish to die. Am I walking into a problem with these? PIRC is a high speed track and I will likely reach 150-160 on the front straight, which ends in a downhill into a sharp left with a run off that would likely rip the scud apart. The back straight is also very fast with even less runoff and a wall to hit.

    I know the 430 Challenge pads are another alternative which F430GT has used. I know that some have used RS29/RS19. Are there any other options out there? Will I be safe on the RSC1's? I don't really trust Pagid for the scud at this point on this application, so wanted to reach out here.

    Appreciate it fellas!
     
  2. singletrack

    singletrack F1 Veteran

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    Well they are in the mail, so I will measure and report back if they are a fit.
     
  3. MaranelloDave

    MaranelloDave Formula 3

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    I recently posted in one of the brake pad threads about installing RSC1s last week. They fit fine.
     
  4. singletrack

    singletrack F1 Veteran

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    I saw that but was still a little confused since the 430/challenge rotors are a touch smaller than the scud in the front. Does pagid have different size RSC1s for the scud vs 430/challenge, or do they use the same pad and just deal with a slight decrease in contact area? Sounds like the contact at pagid my shop was using didn't know much about the scud. Do you happen to have part numbers or measurements?

    Thanks!!
     
  5. MaranelloDave

    MaranelloDave Formula 3

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    I think I still have the box somewhere. I can check later. The RSC1 rears are identical to the stock pads. The fronts were also identical except for the arcuate cutout on the front edge.
     
  6. singletrack

    singletrack F1 Veteran

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    Thanks a bunch Dave. I'll see what I end up with make sure to post so there is no confusion.
     
  7. Teachdocs

    Teachdocs Formula Junior

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    Pagid NA should know what fits, they have done it many times. Maybe the middle man is getting the run around?

    To be clear, RSC1 refers to the pad material, not the shape of the backing plate or pad. You can get a pad that will fit the Scud in many different pad compounds.

    Your stock pads will have a pad number. Use that same number and specify with RSC1 pad material.
     
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  8. singletrack

    singletrack F1 Veteran

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    Concur. Yah I think the contact at Pagid has no experience unfortunately; not sure why he can't figure it out.

    Anyway - going to just pull the pads today or tomorrow to be sure.

    Thanks man.
     
  9. Teachdocs

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    These worked perfectly on my 16M.
     
  10. MaranelloDave

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    Those look like the same boxes for my pads.
     
  11. Teachdocs

    Teachdocs Formula Junior

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    Managed to get 20 heat cycles out of the front pads and they were toast. Rear pads probably have another 8-10 HC's left.
     
  12. shoerat

    shoerat Rookie

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    Teachdocs how long are the rotors lasting?
     
  13. singletrack

    singletrack F1 Veteran

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    #14 singletrack, May 12, 2014
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    You rule! Thanks!

    These are also the same part numbers I found on another Ferrari board over the weekend - 8091 front 4096 rear.

    How did you know they were toast? Glazed over on surface or too much material gone...or? Thanks again.
     
  14. Teachdocs

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    Heat cycled out, cracking, some chunk loss of material. By thickness alone, they were still acceptable, but by every other quality, they were toast.

    See this thread for info on the pads, outcomes, and pics.

    http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=401739
     
  15. Teachdocs

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    Not sure but they are still in good shape visually. If you search for info, others have suggested you will go thru a set of CCM rotors every two sets of OEM pads or that is what Ferrari recommends. Guys who have tracked the Scud quite a bit, such as F430GT, suggest that you will go thru one set of rotors for every 4 sets of pads like the RSC1.
     
  16. singletrack

    singletrack F1 Veteran

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    Not sure how I missed that - thanks again; saves me a lot of time experimenting, guessing, etc.

    Looks like the pins that hold the material to the plate were showing through in those pics.
     
  17. Teachdocs

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    That's why you should never wear pads down to the wear indicator light. Should change at approximately 50% of pad life or 5 mm pad thickness.
    If I remember correctly, these track pads measured 6 mm. Road America is pretty hard on the braking system. The 16M would have benefitted from some additional brake cooling and these pads would have lasted longer.
     
  18. singletrack

    singletrack F1 Veteran

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    More good info on the width - thanks.

    Sounds like a fun project down the line for me (brake ducts)...added to the list : )
     
  19. singletrack

    singletrack F1 Veteran

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    #20 singletrack, May 14, 2014
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    FYI - confirmed with iND that Pagid sent the wrong front pads - 8083.

    8091 is the correct shape and drastically different. Thanks for helping me confirm guys. I could have just pulled the damn pads but I've been spending all my time working on the 308 ; )

    Pulled the following images from paragon-products.com:
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  20. singletrack

    singletrack F1 Veteran

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  22. tazandjan

    tazandjan Three Time F1 World Champ
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    Front pads for Scuds, with 6 piston billet front calipers and 398 mm rotors, are completely different from those for F430s, with 380 mm front rotors and smaller 6 piston calipers. Rear CCM brakes are shared between the Scuderia and F430.
     
  23. MaranelloDave

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    Okay, thanks. I will double check on this.
     
  24. MaranelloDave

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    Update: Damn, I do have the 8083s! That picture you posted really shows the difference. Will order the 8091s and see what Vivid can do in relation to a return as they told me the 8083s are the pads I need.

    So the rear pads are the same for the 430 and the scud? Hope I don't need to replace them too.
     

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