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Need Wires, caps, points, plugs for 308

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  1. AndrewE

    AndrewE Karting

    Aug 29, 2008
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    Sevenoaks, England
    I get that but why would zero resistance wires etc from the dizzy to plug cause upstream issues with the amplifier that (if I am right) amplifies the input signal to help the coil generate higher voltage

    Th reason for asking is that I am (I think) having lots of issues with amplifiers once the whole system warms up
     
  2. Andy 308GTB

    Andy 308GTB F1 Rookie
    Lifetime Rossa

    Jun 2, 2004
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    Essex, UK
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    Andy M
    Hi Andrew, I went down the same route...
    I originally bought a set of leads from
    https://simonbbc.com/Ferrari-208-GT4-308-GTB-308-GTS-HT-Leads-8mm-Double-Silicone
    These were high resistance leads - as you know I tried lots of different ignition modules/coils etc. without success.

    I then made a set of leads up - buying the parts from
    https://www.gsparkplug.com/
    I spoke to owner of the company and he seemed to know the system, the cable he sent out was low resistance... and as you know, I still haven't resolved the issue.
    I'm using NGK BP6ES plugs (not resistive) and extenders that have a little over 2k ohms of resistance.

    I found this snippet in an old thread (there's plenty of them) from Steve Magnusson who knows his stuff.
    The stock 308 carb setup is:
    spiral wound spark plug wires (has resistance of ~700 Ohms/foot and some inductance from the spiral winding form)
    extenders with resistance
    non-resistor spark plugs​
    https://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/threads/some-ignition-system-confusion-on-my-newly-acquired-1975-308gt4.560351/

    I'm sure this probably adds to the confusion. Happy New Year!
     
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  3. Steve Magnusson

    Steve Magnusson Two Time F1 World Champ
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    Jan 11, 2001
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    30°30'40" N 97°35'41" W (Texas)
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    Steve Magnusson
    "Amplifier" is not quite the right description (although transistors can be used as amplifiers). An electronic ignition has a high-power transistor to switch the current in the coil primary, but the impedance of the secondary circuit affects the voltage spikes that appear in the primary circuit (i.e., the primary circuit voltage is not just a simple 12V -to- 0V rectangular wave) and these voltage "spikes" in the primary waveform can stress and blow-up the transistor:
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    https://www.slideshare.net/kimmimaru/waveform-ignition

    You'll want your secondary circuit to have a non-zero impedance -- that's why the stock Digiplex F models use helically-wound spark plug wires (that have a non-zero inductance and a non-zero resistance) and resistive extenders.
     

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