new 997s tests faster than expected-a sports car bargin?

R&T is a joke for a lot of the numbers I've seen. C&D is must more comparable to the fastest owner's times. Didn't R&T get a Z06 into the 13s!!!!!!! Ridiculous.

 

I was thinking the same thinking. They get the slowest times by far. Maybe more realistic for the everyday driver who isn't as experienced, but far from measuring what the car is really capable of.

I believe they got a 13.2@107mph for the 400hp Ls2 c6 convertible. the 107mph traps are pathetic and something a heavier and less powerful stock 6spd z28/SS Ls1 would run anyday of the week, even in the 90degree high humidity weather they were claiming the c6 was run under.

I think C&D generally gets the fastest times, with MT a close 2nd, and R&T dead last.

 

I was under the impression that most magazines used that same mathmatical program so you could compare the times recorded by X magazine with the times recorded by Y magazine with different cars. The implication is that yes, the numbers will not be exactly what you will get, however they are at least comparable to each other.

 

C&D and MT correct. R&T does not.

 

Everyone is asking why Porsche underestimates their performance numbers? I say, look at the Veyron. It's a laughing-stock because Bugatti made all these rediculous claims about it's performance stats.

I'd rather be Porsche and have people be impressed by the "real" performance of the car than not be able to touch the factory "claims" and get laughed at!

 

That was a 1997 Coupe which is 100lbs less than the T and there are guys that hit the same 1/4 mile time with a 2002.

Car and Driver times are much more agressive than Road and Track. I think they are probably just better drivers.

 

Porsche has ALWAYS under stated their performance numbers. This goes back to the 1960s. Its a long standing company policy: under promise and over perform. Seems to work pretty good.

Porsche has also always quoted horsepower as the minimum. That means that since while the GT3 has 380bhp as the official number, no GT3 will be delivered with an engine that puts out less than 380bhp when run in on the factory dyno. Porsche tests and run in every engine. If the engine does not test to the minimum power, they do not install it. Most engines test out to a good bit more power. Independant dyno testing for example on the GT3 has shown that many of those cars are pushing 405hp. (of coarse many people say Porsche deliberatly claimed only 380 to keep the GT3 seperate from the much higher priced turbo that only has 420hp).

I would expect the 997 to put out more than 350hp on average and to offer better performance than the factory states if your willing to thrash the car.

Thats just Porsche. Like Derek Bell always said.... If you want to win, you want to drive a Porsche.


Terry

 

Was the 1/4 a 12.5?

 

Ya someone told me the only reason x car did to 60 .3 seconds slower was because it was to 62 and not 60... rofl

BTW I still find 4.1 in a 350hp, 3400lb car ridiculous. A 400lb lighter 360 does so in 4.2 (supposedly)

 

It takes Half A Second (4.6-4.1 = 0.5) to go from 60 mph to 62.5 mph? come on man.

 

Hey,

Any of you Porsche fans know anyone with a gt3 cup car for sale? The racecar not the street gt3.

Thanks,

 

99% of porsche buyers wouldn't know how to get a 5.0 much less a 4.6 out of their car. 99% are posers and have no idea of how it really performs. That's why I have dusted so many of them in my M3. They always think they are faster than a little 3 series. I think my M3 may be an exceptionally quick one because it runs nose to nose with my 355 and just behind new vettes.

 

"Thats just Porsche. Like Derek Bell always said.... If you want to win, you want to drive a Porsche."

End of subject as far as im concerned.

 

Agreed!
For reference, here is Autocar (UK)'s test of the 997 S
http://www.autocarmag.com/RoadTest_FullData.asp?RT=211162

The Porsche's raw (uncorrected) 60-100mph time is 6.1 seconds

Take a look here to see how it compares to other cars
http://ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=30747

Jon

 

No, 1/4 miles 12.9 @ 110 MPH.

 

I'm not sure about your area, but in and around Dallas, I would say that 1/4 to 1/3 of all the cars I see on the track are pcars. That's pretty impressive. I don't know of any other mark, maybe except for the Mazda's (Miata), that have such a high turnout at track events.

George

 

wow - we are talking about posers in a ferrari chat room! Thats funny.

 

Yeah, it is...but a few of us do own/have owned P-cars. Nice early post...you'll do well here.

Back to the topic....

997 S is great car. I hated the 996 variants, despite trying to like them. Loved my 993TT, old 911S. New car feels like real Porsche again, with more driver amenities for the non-driver P-car guys.New car will be a big hit, methinks. Even my wife wants one...hmmmmm.

 

That's the porsche I always wanted, the 993TT. What a great looking car. Just the right amount of agression. I like you, dont like the 996 too much. My buddy has a GT2 that is pretty incredible though. Wicked fast.

 

Forgive my bias here, but the C6 Z06 will indeed be the performance bargain of the century. I predict it will meet or best the new 430 and will undoubterly slaughter the 911S for $20K less with quite a bit of refinement (a-hem Viper). Heck, the C6 coupe matches the Challenge Stradale on the Nurburgring. Which is a better car to drive? The Ferrari, I'm sure. But if you had to pick a car with the sole purpose of winning a race, you just might pick the Vette.

Economies of scale account for a lot when it comes to performance and value, but they hurt when it comes to prestige. That's the tradeoff of a Vette. With a Porsche or a Ferrari, the quality and style are there, but you're paying more than your fair share of the engineers' salaries.


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