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  1. robert_c

    robert_c F1 Rookie

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    I heard that a new rule in a year or so says that you have to construct your own chassis (and engine?) Does anyone know what the new rule will be? I ask because why would anyone bother to buy Super Aguri if they are not a constructor, and can only run for a year or so. Thanks.
     
  2. cantsleepnk

    cantsleepnk Formula Junior

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    http://www.grandprix.com/ns/ns20347.html
    Super Aguri F1 Limited has been placed in administration. The company is now being run by PKF (UK), a British accounting firm. Ian Gould, Brian Hamblin and Philip Long have been appointed the administrators of the business and will now manage the affairs, business and property of the company. They hope to be able to sell the business as a going concern. This is not going to be easy because the validity of the entry remains in question. If there was a Concorde Agreement in place there would be no value in the company as missing a race for economic reasons is sufficient to cancel all the benefits and rights that exist, but the doubt over whether or not F1 is currently controlled by the terms of Concorde means that there is a small chance that a buyer could claim the entry. This would almost certainly result in legal actions from others teams because of the points that the team scored last year, and that will probably scare away any potential investors. If there had been a sensible buyer it is most likely that they would have come out of the woodwork before now.

    PKF is an experienced administrator in F1 with past experience including Arrows in 2003 and Prost Grand Prix (UK) in 2002.
     
  3. robert_c

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    I understand they are in receivership, but my question is why would someone want to buy a non constructor team if the new rules state that they must construct their own chassis in a few years. Thanks.
     
  4. greyboxer

    greyboxer F1 World Champ

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    Before they went into receivership they had a place on the grid and the resultant income stream and experienced staff etc

    They also had all the equipment to go racing

    But also because they were based in the old Arrows plant they had the basis of the ability to start constructing entire cars again

    The same applies to the old Minardi site at Faenza occupied by Toro Rosso
     
  5. william

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    You are correct. The FIA introduced the idea of client-teams using manufacturers chassis, like Honda chassis for Aguri, of Red Bull chassis for Toro Rosso. Even Prodrive was supposed to use McLaren chassis.

    Several teams have complained (Williams and Spyker/Force India), and the FIA has closed the loopoles for 2010, since manufacturers are not in favour of it.

    That's one of the reasons why Prodrive didn't get off the ground, Toro Roso is for sale, and Super Aguri can't attract a buyer: trhey are not manufacturers, and unless they can produce their OWN chassis for 2010, it's all over for them!
     
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    So who are the teams that are not constructors and wont be here in 2010? Red Bull? Torro Rosso? Force India? Is Williams a constructor?
     
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    Only Toro Rosso are vulnerable to the manufacturing requirement however as I noted above their factory has previously produced cars

    The rule 'clarification' which banned customer cars was forced by the weaker manufacturers ie Force India & Williams
     
  8. william

    william Two Time F1 World Champ
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    Williams is a constructor that has won the World Constructor Championship several times!! Remember Damon Hill, Prost, Mansell, Rosberg and Jones?

    At the moment, Torro Rosso is using Red Bull' s intellectual properties - chassis design, so is Super Aguri using remodelled ex-Honda chassis. They are not constructor at present.

    Red Bull is a constructor; it's the ex-Jaguar (ex-Stewart) outfit with Adrian Newey as chief technician.

    Force India (ex-Spyker, ex-Midland, ex-Jordan) is very much a constructor. When called Jordan, it came once 3rd in the WCC.
     
  9. william

    william Two Time F1 World Champ
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    From what I read here in Motorsport, Toro Rosso is for sale for £80 millions, but that doesn't include the manufacturing facilities at Faenza.
    When Minardi came under Reb Bull's wing and was renamed Toro Rosso, they started to use RB chassis, and stopped producing theor own.

    I don't know if they still have the facilities, expertise and staff necessary to do so again, and who owns the Faenza factory. Is it that 'scoundrel' Stoddart, or the Minardi family? I believe there is a Minardi team in GP2, maybe they work from there.

    Gerhard Berger, the Toro Rosso co-owner, says that you would need £60 millions to build a new facility and develop an genuine brand new chassis. Seems like a lot of money to me!!
     

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