New F1 owners target 2nd USGP in destination city

Cesspool? I happen to love Miami/

I have seen two versions of the race course. I will try to find them and post it. One centers on the road in front of the RIO. The other is at the empty lot south of the Tropicana and across from Mandalay.

Supports the Mandalay site.

 

both are great tracks - but the areas in which they reside - not even close to a destination... and the F-1 guys would hate the accmodations. Laguna would be a bit better but still "remote" compared to Austin or Silverstone...

 

Orlando makes more sense for a street race... with Disney etc.. while I actually hate Orlando, for the Brits it's a Destination... and the main Florida portal..

Daytona - would be cool, but limited ... and its a bit Ummmm...mmm redish neckish...

Vegas seems obvious - but there is a lot of competing interests there. F-1 was there did that - did not work. Personally I think it needs to be in a North East City - close to NYC, Boston, DC.. the street race in NJ would have been great... but doubt it would ever happen.

finally I love Road Atlanta - it would need massive investment, but the city has the ability to host 200K people - and throw in the Black aspect for Hamilton & how to grow a base in the USA... it could work....

 

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Vegas has better strip clubs, and liquor flows 24/7 as well as other substances and activities... 👀

 

Good spot IMO. close to the airport, on the south end of the strip, so you don't have to drive across Vegas to get to it like the Speedway which is like 20 miles north.

 

I am surprised there is no talk of reviving the Weehawken / NYC race, where they already had spent a bunch of money building a pit building. Can anyone up that way confirm if that construction has been turned into something else.

At the time that was going on, my daughter lived in Hoboken, and I drove part of the proposed circuit. There were some great views of Manhattan, but a lot of the track would be very problematic for putting crowds around.

There was a lot of anti COTA comments coming from the northeast back then, and wondering what the feelings are up there now on a race possibility.

 

NJ GP would be the best option

 

Hmm. Would I rather go to Vegas, Indy or Hoboken? [emoji848][emoji848][emoji848][emoji848]

Vegas!!

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Vegas all the way!

 

Hmmm...... I'm hearing a lot of talk about which circuit/city has the best facilities to entertain the fans away from the race, but I'm not hearing much about which will provide the best, most exiting racing!

And that is a big concern of Mine - With all the talk of racing around cities, and making the Grand Prix's week long events rather than just weekend events, are Liberty Media actually more concerned with putting on a show rather than putting on a race?

As an armchair fan, what is the point of a bright, flashy Las Vegas background, or picturesque New York/London or wherever background, if the racing on track is unexciting?

Monaco has a fabulous background, but to be honest, I barely notice it when the cars are on track as the cars are far more important - And that's more than enough circuits in the season with lacklustre on track action.

(For Monaco I'm prepared to make an exception for the lack of exciting racing due to the historic nature of the race, the personal challenge it presents the drivers, and the fact that it's just a crazy place to run an F1 race)

Maybe I'm being a bit naive, but I'd much rather see better entertainment on track than off track, even if there are more glitzy, glamorous backgrounds to look at.

 

I agree and disagree.

If you are not interested in people actually attending, then sure. But the tracks will go bancrupt so what's the point.

If F1 is to survive it needs venues. No venues, no racing.

Unless you want every race to be state sponsored then every race will be in the gulf states, China and Russia.

Liberty understands (as do the teams) that the USA has untapped potential. The question is: where best to mine for the dollars.

 

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Spot on!

To be honest, I couldn't care less about the amenities around the track, the scenery or the entertainment provided, all I want is a challenging track with character and good racing.

 

Easy for you to say since you don't bother to actually go to a GP. Those of us who do prefer some decent infrastructure and amenities.

 

A purist's view:

Elkhart lake and since there are nowhere near enough hotel rooms 200000 glamping tents for hire

 

I have attended GPs in Europe for many years (Belgium, Germany, France, UK, Netherlands, Italy) and I was never bothered by infrastructure and amenities. In the 60s, and 70s, there wasn't much of those to talk about. People used to bring a tent or their camper van, and share the experience with many fans doing the same. I have excellent memories of that time. Things started to change in the 90s.

Now, people want to be pampered. It's a difference era. People have champagne taste, but lemonade money and seems more interested in hotels, air transfer, and plenty of gimmicks that were never heard of before.

 

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Yep. Going to a place like Magny Cours (or likewise, Silverstone!) where there is nothing to do after the racing is done, is largely unappealing for many.

At Silverstone of course a small party is build, but if you're unlucky and it has rained, it really is some **** tents, with terrible music. At least there is beer. If you're thinking of bringing along your wife/girlfriend or young kids...forget it. You'll be sleeping in a muddy tent, unable to sleep because of the loud drunks.

I quite like the idea of a street race in Vegas first, whilst in the mean time they build a permanent racing facility. It's not as if there's no space just outside Vegas...

 

I suffered through a Silverstone race. Never again.

That said there are good alternatives to city circuits: Barcelona has a superb track and it has its own train station. Very similar to Monza. And both places have huge cities with infrastructure behind them.

A GP at the Glen, Laguna Seca or Road America would be worse than Magny Cours

 

not only does it have a trainstation, but also many exits around the track and well organized car parks (a lot of fields, but well managed). On the way back to my house we had to go through BCN as well and apart from the toll booth being more populated than usual, there was no real delay.

 

Ask yourself this: Why do people go to Monaco? The racing there is terrible. The pole winner always wins. You just watch the cars go around.

The views of the race are poor from almost every vantage point.

But people love going to the South of France. That's why it still lives as a favorite. If people didn't enjoy going to Monaco they would not go!

 

Very true.

Meanwhile possibly the best track in the world struggles to make it profitable. Without the MS, Vettel and Max fans Spa would have closed its doors years ago

 

People go to Monaco because its Monaco. Over the years Monaco, & Ferrari symbolize F-1.

Monaco is the place where Billionaires go to play... not actually but that is the perception.... and its been publicized as such. I disagree on the racing -some of the best races have been at Monaco, but lately - not so much.

for a driver, its a real test of man v. machine... especially in the 80's when you had 1500 HP, quali tires, and wide cars.... Michele Alboreato's performance in the 1985 Monaco race was spectacular... as was the race in 84 - for different reasons.

I do agree going to Monaco to actually spectate is difficult - as you really don't see much. and you are so crammed in either a grand stand or balcony... even Paddock Club is tight... the real Monaco experience comes after the racing - its the perceived glitz and glamour... getting to the right partys and staying at the right hotels...Really Monaco is about $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

and its always kind of been like that.