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  1. CliffBeer

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    #1 CliffBeer, Oct 24, 2009
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  2. jon s

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    splendid. jon s
     
  3. maurice70

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    Group buy???? :D
     
  4. mustardfj40

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    Do I need to order 2 of them? Thanks :)
     
  5. Martin308GTB

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    what's the matter with that tensioner pulley ? It seems that it's badly off-center.

    Best Regards from Germany

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  6. 2NA

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    It's on an "eccentric" hub. This is how the tension is applied.
     
  7. Martin308GTB

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    different from the system on the 308 ??

    Best Regards from Germany

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  8. AZDoug

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    What is the black sheet metal plate?

    Something used on later cars to keep peoples fingers out of the cam belt area while running?

    Doug
     
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    Mike, now you're a inventor??

    When do you find the time??!! ;)
     
  11. CliffBeer

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    Doug, this is on my '88 mondial - I think the later mondials and 328s all had plastic plates/covers that are fastened to the backside of the aluminum covers covering the belts/cam sprockets/tensioners. They're effective in keeping road debris away from the belts.

    Boy, I sure am glad I changed my belts this weekend - the forward tensioner bearings were totally shot. When I removed the tensioner from the bracket the bearings just came apart in my hand - ball bearings all over the floor. I think I probably was pretty close to having a tensioner bearing freeze up and fry a belt. Whew!
     
  12. FF8929

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    How much time/miles on the tensioner?
     
  13. rimoore

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    Great option if your sure about the current cam timing.
     
  14. D.Mauro

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    Chris, Mike has nothing but time on his hands! lol
     
  15. CliffBeer

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    #15 CliffBeer, Oct 26, 2009
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    I've owned the car for about five years, and roughly 2,000 miles in those five years. The PO said he had a 30K service done two years and 10,000 miles before I bought it (bought at 51,000 miles). No paperwork to prove it however. Who knows if he was telling the truth - he was selling the car because he was heading off to jail to serve a five-year sentence for securities fraud.

    I drove the car lightly because I didn't totally trust his statements, and just didn't have the time to get to the belt replacement until now. The rest of the engine was in great shape - no leaks, not a drop anywhere, clean, runs smooth and quiet, easily passes the WA smog test, even w/o a cat. Very happy with the car.

    It sure made it a lot easier having a two post (and a four post) lift in the garage for this job....
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  16. CliffBeer

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    Hi Rick, yup, I degreed the cams with the wheel and all were w/in 1 degree of exact spec except the forward exhaust cam which was 1.1. It's not a difficult procedure and +/- 1 degree is quite good.
     
  17. CliffBeer

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    One more brief comment on this thread - anyone who says changing the timing belts is an afternoon job for a good mechanic is lying. Just the belts/tensioners alone is a six hour job at least, start to finish (for me, more like 10 hours). Adding in WP and cam seals and cam cover gasket is another three or more hours. And, if you're inclined toward cleaning and tidying up as you go then add a few more hours. I think it took me about 16 hours in total, and that's with a lift and a tool collection that would make most shops look like a thai scooter repair lean-to in comparison.

    Then again, I am pretty slow. My coffee mug says "it's slow in the morning, but it eases off in the afternoon..."
     
  18. ramosel

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    AMEN!!!

    So what's under the cover?????

    Rick
     
  19. tuttebenne

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    I like the simplicity of the C-clamp; just make sure not to overtighten it. I use the rubber spacers that cushion the A/C compressor to its large cast alum. mounting bracket. Two of those rubbers and a nut and bolt and you're done. Its hard to overtighten them too because they are rubber and they "give".
     
  20. AZDoug

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    I would say that you can change the belts and tensioner bearing in an afternoon IF, IF, the A/C compressor is already removed and you don't have to reinstall it in that afternoon. Heck, with NO A/C unit, the rest of motor (alternator, dipstick tube, starter) is rather easy to work on.

    Securities fraud, eh?

    I don't think I would have believed him about anything else, either. A liar and a cheat on one thing will lie and cheat on anything.

    Doug
     
  21. tuttebenne

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    Did my buddy's cam belts with him (308QV) in a day. We started at 10:00 and finished at around 5:00, all cleaned and buttoned up. If it was a two valve I could do the job in an hour less.
     
  22. CliffBeer

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    #22 CliffBeer, Oct 27, 2009
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    Hi Rick,

    Ford GT40. 2,400lbs, 400+hp/400+tq. 0-60 in 4.4, 179 top end. $12 cap, $7 rotor, $30 plug wires, and a whole lotta fun.
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  23. ramosel

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    Ohhhh, nice! HP to weight in those ratios is a wonderful thing!!

    Is that a CAV?

    Rick
     
  24. CliffBeer

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    Hi Rick,

    Yup. #8, stainless steal monocoque, fiberglass and kevlar panels, all the goodies. She's a lot of fun. If you're ever in Seattle and bored then shoot me a note and we'll go for a ride!

    Cheers.

    Clif
     

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