My understanding is approx 250/yr (worldwide) for maybe 4 years. If so, about 1000 total. Maybe 75% to US...
Supposedly should come in at $400k plus or minus delending on options. If production really 250ish/yr, I suspect will all sell out near instantly
I saw the same cars at SEMA a week before. A couple of things surprised me. 1) it does look good from almost every angle 2) it looks HUGE. This is not a small car 3) the cockpit looks really cramped because of the way it cuts in from the flying buttress wing on the sides. 4) I think the side review mirrors will be close to useless and 3/4 visibility zero 5) The doors no longer cut into the roof 6) The race car has a rear defuser like I've never seen. It looks like it extends a meter back from the car. It will sell out immediately. My guess is they will build more than they are saying depending on demand. It's unlikely Ford would be willing to lose money on it.
Normaly Ford and other domestics would make enough of the product to satisfy demmand and the volume would drive production costs low enough to sell for a more democratic price while earnign good profit. As we see with in demmand trucks thye build in enough margin to make good profit. thats the American way, decent pricing good volumes to satisfy demmand. If ford made say $200k on each Gt at 400k and will build 750. Can ford sell 4k cars over 4 years if theywere 250k? If Ford sold 4k cars for 250k then based on the above their toal profit would look like 50k per car, but as its the amserican way costs of producing 4k cars would drop the unit price significantly. Therefore Fords total profit at 4k cars for a lower per car sellign price would be greater than 750 units even if per unit profit was a bit less, its customers would be more satisfied, and the halo effect better. My guess is that as ford is not actualy producing the car(but has designed and engineered it) there is not the tooling and manufacturing capacity of producting greater volume, therefore its a 400k or more car because of very limited prod.
They made several thousand of the last FGT, which are currently asking around 2X the original msrp of 150, or so, which was roughly same as that of a new 360 at the time. How much is a nicely-equipped 488 these days?
Not a comparable car to the previous GT or the 488 IMO. This is a hand-built, all-carbon race car in limited production with a Daytona 24hr winning race motor in it. Ford is also going to take this back to Le Mans. If you load up a 488 (starts at 245k US), you can easily crack 300k and likely get to 400k. There are 20k+ paint options for instance. But there will likely be 15-20k 488s built.
some people may disagree I just don't see this Ford being as successful as the last. It's not as classically beautiful (to me) and there is so much better competition now that's ludicrously fast I can't see the Ford out performing the competition like last time. I wouldn't be surprised if aftermarket prices are 100-150k less than MSRP in a couple years.
No freaking way. If you honestly believe that this car will go down in price I want some of whatever you are smoking. This car will only go up in price. Bet on it.
250 units a year for maybe 4 years and you see these ending up on auto trader for 100-150k discount??? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
The Gt is one of the few cars that should never be thought of in a manual context. Firstly its a real race car, not a pretend one. Its all about appropriate tech, there is no traditional V8 fior marketing its a TTv6 which works with the aero, not fake electrified tech for its own sake, the design is fresh and groundbreaking, form following function not retro history. I could go on, but the car is fully honest about what it is, thats why the simplistic tech inetrior works too, the car is all function, only paddles would do here. The sad part is that such a superlative and pure machine is unlikely to be used even as a track toy, so few made, instant collectable etc, pity.
Nope entirely consistent, like many who see things emotionaly and politicaly you see one side or the other.. I wouldnt buy a ford GT to pose on the street in, or for backroad drives, or to pretend, to me it is a car to take to the track and drive all out, there the paddles, v6 aero great handling etc are ideal. The Gt seems pure unto istelf, and in this context I am open minded.. However ferraris and porche they play upon heritage, even in execution, and are built to marketing formula. With few exceptions these are road cars, ones that wilt on track with hard use and have fake exuast baffles to excite and pretend they are somehow race cars from the past. To me a road car first and foremost has to entertain on road, paddles nannies eps numb the experience isolate the driver from machine and take away from the drive experience, dont even get me started on sheilds. My impression of the Gt is that it is first and foremost a track car in terms of concept and execution, maybe civilised and legalised enough to be street legal. I dont see it faking anythign from the past to get sales, its entirely forward looking in execution and probably great on track, paddles fit the concept perfectly and I'll bet on its turf(the track) its a great, immersive and highly intensive drive. Maybe I am romanticising but I think the Gt like a GT40 of old will feel like an extension of the driver on track. Now if I buy a ferrari its primarily for the road, and a nanyfied paddleshifted ferrari is just not that entertaining on road, unless you can go 9/10th or more, which you cant, and its not really a seriously trackable car either. But yes modern ferraris are designed to decieve to flatter the driver even for a few laps.. I feel the same way about blanded modern ferraris as I woudl if the prior retro ford Gt was paddleshift only.
What exactly makes a modern Ferrari or Porsche not ready for the track? The track, not racing...I must be missing it?
They wilt, are prohibitively expensive to run and not good on consumables. With the exception of the Gt3/Gt4 and maybe speciale they are also too heavy and too soft when pushed.
What does wilt mean? What is prohibitive - brake pads? Extra service costs? Too soft and heavy for what? It's the track, not racing... Again, I'm just missing it. They seem to accomplish their purpose well to me, even if they don't appeal to me personally.
LOL!!! Boxerman for 5908 posts: All cars should come with a stick option Boxerman for 2 posts on the new Ford GT: Well, maybe not on this car.... From now on when Boxerman goes into his rant about the lack of sticks on cars, all we have to say is "well, what about the new Ford GT?"
All street cars, those for the street. Those that are old school or pretend to be should offer a well enginered stick.. I have agreed many a time that on track at full intensity paddles can do their thing if in the right car and motor. For street driving entertainment a properly engineered stick, along with great steering feedback, motor, compliance etc is the way to go. Going full tilt on track some different criteria. The new as opposed to previous ford Gt was not made with retro entertainemnt in mind, its a pure purpose machine. Thats why it has no V8 and serious aero design. Its honest about what it is and paddles fit. As much appealing as new ferraris may be, as good as their paper specs, to me they are pretend cars. Not really track weapons, but at the same time full of pretend track features like paddles. In fact the paddles are a feature for those that really use their cars as AT transmssions in traffic. I think new ferraris as they exist would do well to emulate the characterists that made the older ones so appealing, without the drawbacks. Ferraris are art, fashion statements, full of Itlaian drama, sadly with the drivign experience watered down. The ford Gt its pure purpose, and unlike ferrari ford still offers in the Gt350 a more classic dual use experience. I like the speciale, but woudl also like a street ferrari with a great motor and properly enginered stick, porche now offers both choices. Alfa went half way with the 4c, but then did a strut suspension compromsing track performance and road compliance, and failed to do a superlative hi po motor. Perhaps if they did the car could carry off the paddles as a track weapon. As a street car I think the alfa with upgrades might be more fun with a stick. Horses for courses. The ford is somemthing else entirely, everythign about it is uncompromised future and intese performance/feedback, in way the Nissan GTR couldnt pull off..Or put another way, i think the ford as executed is uncompromised fun esp on track, whereas a GTR is tech to go really fast with compromised fun, at least in the way I look at sportscars. the ford to me is the legitimate sucessor to the Mclaren F1, its going to go up in value.
It's funny you mention the McLaren F1. Gordon Murray says that, as of 2014, the Ferrari 458 is the purest sports car in the world: https://grrc.goodwood.com/road/news/qa-hankering-one-supercar-wouldnt-unless-hybrid-monsters-hadnt-come#hBVZ1GS63wZB7GlZ.97 Isn't the GT350R over 3600lbs? I've never driven one obviously, but I find it odd that you would reference such a heavy and large car as an example for Ferrari to follow.
Poor Boxerman. Finally admitting he's been wrong a those years and now thinks auto boxes are "just fine" with the Ford GT.
I think you and mayor come to driving from a very different place to me. For a street driven car I place a very high priority on dynamic feedback, and overall dynamic balance. The GT350R is dynamicaly entertaining in a way modern ferraris simply are not. Its also a whole lot less expensive so my expectations are are somewhat different, like I dont expect ferrari level interiors. The weight is an issue and will surely drive up tire costs, but ferrari quotes dry weigths for its cars, so they really are not that light either. My example of the GT350R is that ford offers the FGT as pure performance, and the Gt350R as dynamic enetrtainment, they offer both. Ferrari seems stuck in offerign paper performance and luxury, unable or unwilling to offer the other dynamic options because apparently it reduces paper performance. Of course I have zero experince in a 350R and am reliant on what I read so its speculation, but have enough in a 458 and a mp12 to comment on the blandness when driven below 9/10ths. I read Gordon Murrays quote when he made it. I think the full context of his comment was that of the then current crop it was the best. Lets not forget the then current crop was a heavy 4ws eps paddle shifted Gt3, the 458 and heavier F12, an aventador and the powerful yet bland Mclaren. Thast the comparative Data
Since your origional quote ans subesequnt comments are trolling I am incined not to take the bait, but logic intervenes. I would much rather drive a F40 than a 488. I like cars raw and puposeful. The 488 is a really really fast GT car imo and if its lets dynamicaly enetrtaining than a 458 which is what the press says whats the point. the new F12 Gto looks inetresting. But once again, if you cant or dont track these cars and do so seriously, they are essentialy blanded experiences. If I were to track an exotic, from what I read the ford GT seems to be a far more pure and fuller dynamic experience. Surely you cans see that for all its paper specs a GTR looses on so many front as an appealing drive, too heavy for serious track work, and really almost boring on street other than velocity. Paddles have their place, imo that is on track at full tilt in car and with a driver that can really take advantge of it. As it is most paddles are bragging rights used on freeway traffic. Cars or drivers cars should enetertain, paddles take away from that in a very significant way for street cars, as does eps and a whole other host of sins. Porche great current road car is the manual GT4, the track only GT4 has paddles no interior etc, all of which makes sense.. I dont get the impression that paddles take anything away from the FGT they surely add to the experience, given what the car is.The difference between a FGT and ferraris is the FGT is a real race car, built with purity of purpose, therefore paddles are really part of it. I dont really think of the Fgt as a street car, although yes its street legal. Imo driving the FGt on the street as a pose which will surely be the case of 99% of them will be a pure waste and a crime against automotivedom. Better to pose about in your more expensive deviated stiching 400k ferrari with 100k worth of options, thats what ferraris really are for these days. So lets hope they make a stick shifted light car for entertainemnt. I like the ford because its not pretend, its not a ladys handbag for men, its not made to be "useable" its the real thing a race, track car without a whole bunch of frills, paddles have their place there, as surely as the wing does on the viper acr.. I think if you look at the manual threads that crop up, myself and others agree paddles work better on track, and manuals are more enetrtainign on street. A few street cars lke an aventador are so raw they can pull off paddles on the street anyway. To the extent you have a car for 50% or more street the small performance loss on track in a manual is not so relevant, esp if its a street car and therefore not that fast(relatively speaking) on track anyway. Therefore I wouldnt want to compromise my street driven ferrari experience with paddles and a hole host of other blanding. To the extent a speciale really is trackable in the way say a cs was(debatable) and bought for track then paddles are entirely fitting. But ferraris are bought for the street, you hardley ever see on on track. The FGT to me its a elemental track car.
