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  1. werewolf

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    #2276 werewolf, Jul 10, 2019
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    How does the 911 GT2 compare to the 911 GT3 at the ring? (the cars you offered as a comparison, not me!)

    https://fastestlaps.com/tracks/nordschleife

    Or at Laguna Seca:

    https://fastestlaps.com/tracks/laguna-seca-post-1988

    Or VIR:

    https://fastestlaps.com/tracks/virginia-international-raceway-grand-east-course-post-01-2014

    If we consider the GT2 as a "street car" with brutal amounts of power, there's NO WAY (according to some here) that it could beat a GT3 (if we consider the GT3 to be close to a "track car") on ANY track (again, your comparison, if i understood correctly).

    Right?
     
  2. amenasce

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    I think you are confused by Porsche nomenclature. The GT3 mentioned by Chad (Guy) is a GT3 cup car. The GT3 in your links is the road car that you can buy at the local dealership and drive to starbucks.
     
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    #2279 werewolf, Jul 10, 2019
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    I know. But the GT3 i can buy, is still pretty damn close to a "track car" (as i said in my post, "close") ... and it is easily obliterated by several high-performance "street cars", on several tracks ... "tracks", where the GT3 is designed to live.

    Might that have something to do with the power difference?
     
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    Were BOTH of the GT3 cars mentioned by Chad (Guy) cup cars ... or only one of them?
     
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    Guys, i know how silly this :(

    You're saying that a "track car" with limited power (a car designed and built for the track) can not possibly be beat at any track (for 5 laps) by any "street car" with unlimited power ... no matter how large that power difference might be. I'm not re-framing the discussion ... that's the way it's been framed, since the very beginning (a few pages ago!).

    I disagree. Especially if that power difference is 3x!

    Am i saying that power is "all there is", to performance on-track? Of course not! But ... by denying the possibility of a "track car" with limited power, being beaten by a "street car" with unlimited power ... you're saying that power is irrelevant.

    I disagree. That's all.

    Have fun, and be safe out there!
     
  7. noone1

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    911 GT3 -- Road car
    911 GT3 RS -- Road car
    GT2 RS -- Road car

    911 GT3 Cup -- Race car
    911 GT3 R -- Race car
    911 RSR -- Race car
     
  8. amenasce

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    It has to do with many things. The car, the tires, the track, the conditions of the day, the driver etc. But if you pitch a GT3 road car vs a Gt3 cup car on the same day on the same track with the same driver, the cup car will be much faster. And a GT3 RSR car will be even faster.

    The laptimes you quoted have little value as for most, the driver is unknown so it could be a regular guy sending his time sheets being compared to a ZR1 driven by Probst. Also, some of these GT3 times are for the 997 and not the current 991 etc. Basically, useless. You can only use laptime to validate a point when the cars are driven in the same condition and with the same or very comparable drivers.
     
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    I say again...yikes.
     
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    all the cars I referenced except the GT2RS is a non street legal, full on race car.
     
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    From Chas' post referring to the 911 GT3 R is referring to the homoligated class of cars known as GT3 (or GTD in IMSA). GT4, GT3, GTE are all various global homoligation specs that manufacturers build their cars to for competition in IMSA, FIA, SRO, etc.. In this whole discussion I think you are failing to realize just how far these cars are developed beyond a street car. A few example shots below I took at Petit Le Mans last year. GTE/GTLM Corvette, GT3 Huracan and GTE/GTLM Porsche. Getting a street car to similar levels of aero, chassis balance, weight, downforce, braking, etc...would be damn near impossible. With the right amount of money, anything can be done though I am sure.

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    If you really want to see the difference between a fast street car (GT2 RS) and one of the slower Porsche race cars (GT3 Cup) watch this video from Road America. Same day, same track, same driver.

     
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    935K3 Road car ...

     
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    Sorry...it was supposed to be this video

     
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    Can you get a cup holder yet? ;-)
     
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    Awesome color
     
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    #2294 paulchua, Jul 12, 2019
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    Yeah this thread is kind of hard to follow. I think the debate has morphed into a hydra.

    I believe @werewolf actually does own a 1,000 hp Huracan by Underground Racing (or something similar)

    The original question was could it 'beat' the new Ford GT Track Edition?

    I have no clue, I don't know anything about the Underground Racing car - I said he should start tracking it so you can get an idea of what track times it is capable of.

    Then it evolved into can any streetcar beat a track car?

    I think this is a very loaded question. Since as other's pointed out, so much variability. If things like weather, driver, hp, etc are all equal, non-sequitur, of course, the track car will be faster. Why? (I think the multiple "yikes" comments show the self-evidence of the answer)

    The other side of the coin is also a rhetorical question, of course, you can have a streetcar beat a track car because of said variability above.

    So I think it comes back full circle. Can @werewolf car beat the new Ford GT track edition?

    Only one way to find out.
     
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    The problem with all of these “debates” across the entire Internet is a lack of intellectual honesty. Many people really aren’t interested in having a candid, honest discussion. They just want to rag on a car or brand they don’t like.
     
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    Yeah, unfortunately things often devolve to pissing matches!
     
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