New gated conversion kit - Modena Lucerna

So, I decided last night that this is my New Year's resolution. I'll be using this kit and I'll post my thoughts/results. I've been following the process on instagram and it looks pretty DIY.... What could go wrong?

 

Congrats that you have decided to take the plunge and do the conversion . Newcomers to the market may offer alternatives to the well proven and established kits like Dr S by Cambio Manuale https://CambioManuale.com/ (also https://GatedConversion.com/ if easier to remember).

If you are a DIY, it may be worth to consider if you want to take the transmission out or do the conversion without removal of the transmission. Dr S kit pioneered a conversion without the transmission removal, and we have tens of satisfied customers and thousands of trouble free miles with it (and a few customers whom we have provided partial kits to fix problems with competitors kits, who attempted to copy our approach). Of course our kits allow transmission removal as well, if that's the customer choice (and many customers have done it too).

Another thing to consider is how DIY friendly is ECU and cluster programming (and E-diff configuration, if you have F430). We have nailed it with F430 to a child play level, and 360 is quite easy as well.

In any case, it's good that customers now have choices, and Happy New Year to all!!!

 

Congrats! Which Model are you Converting?

Happy New Year!

 

The Dr S by Cambio Manuale is the only kit I would consider.

I appreciate all the R&D that went into it, the number of Installed kits, but most importantly the level of support they have been providing to their customers and this community.

I dont currently have a 360 or F430 that needs converting but I am very close to getting one and if it ends up being a 360 F1 it will get converted.

I like the F1 version of the F430 so I dont think I would convert that model, but never say never.

Happy New Year!

 

03 360

 

FAI have done manual software changes for me. No problems.

 

I’m using the Moderna lucerna kit.

And I’m documenting it in on Instagram
Check it out
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The only kit that looks great. Seen the true way with this and it's the right way.

 

So what’s the solution with the e-diff on 430 conversions with the three kits?

 

EAG retains it. They also offer ECU/dash flash solution.

Cambio Manuale/Dr S offers the ability to retain or delete depending upon what the customer wants. They also offer a ECU/dash solution.

Modena Lucerna… I don’t know what their solution is, or isn’t. I tried looking, but only found 360s being converted. I’m not sure what their approach to ECU/dash flashing is for the 430. I read their website, but didn’t see either mentioned.

 

QUOTE="360+Volt=Prius, post: 149459312, member: 149725"]So what’s the solution with the e-diff on 430 conversions with the three kits?[/QUOTE]

I will be documenting the Modena kit on a 430 in a few weeks.

Stay tuned.

It’s a plug and play situation, no cutting or splicing the factory harness.
And everything works 100% as directed.
No deleting anything.

The only factory identical option.

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Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder. Obviously a new entrant must come up with some differentiation but I think that for example look of Dr S castings (closer to Ferrari OEM look) is superior to various different machining or colored surface treatments.

 

How is the edit retained. I’m kind of a novice. I thought the f1 pump was needed. Excuse my ignorance.
-ray

 

Yes, if you retain E-diff with the gated conversion you retain the F1 pump and all the hydraulics except that part which operates clutch/gearshift. That's why some remove it all for simplicity and reliability, others want to keep it. Lot's of separate threads and justifications "for" and "against" are already on the FChat so probably not a good place to start that debate all over again

 

I will add that from my personal experience driving 3 pedal 360s, F1 360s and F1 F430s, I would only convert a 360.

The F1 in the F430 is really good.

I will admit I have not driven a 3 pedal F430 so I cant comment on that one.

 

I agree! It truly is…
which is ultimately why I went with this kit.
I think the market will speak for itself; once more people get their hands on it.

No tacky logos all over it, no gaudy Space age CNC looks.
All Improved OEM look and feel, looks natural in its environment.

Professionally, I am a Ferrari technician of over 10 years, with my own shop, and no affiliation to Modena Lucerna.
Personally I’ve installed over 30 conversions using other kits and oem parts.
Hell, I’ve even written install guides for other kits.

This kit is the only kit I’d recommend to my customers.

Hands down from the silky-ness of the shifter cables to the rest of the components everything is perfect.

And the best part is they are 98% identical—as well as interchangeable with oem parts!
So if your factory gated car needs parts which are obsolete… buy X part you need from ML!

Furthermore, it’s the only kit offered as a one way install…. without cutting important safety corners.

Such as using f1 fluid thru the T/o bearing with no safety measures if fluid loss is notated, like the OEM gated cars do.
Hard lines for the fluid which can’t cause pedal degradation; a master cylinder that’s specifically designed for this conversion and not off the shelve from the Jegs catalog…. and a even a clutch safety switch under the dash!

And arguably the best part… you don’t need to cut and splice into your harness or delete anything out.

This kit is what the market has been waiting for.

Doing things the right way.
With out compromise.
Like the Ferrari owner wants.

I encourage any doubters to watch my documented videos on my Instagram
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I’ve seen and followed the thread, and it appears there is some controversy over “deleting” the ediff. I’ve seen the back and forth in opinions and it really seems it should be kept unless a mechanical LSD is used which really isn’t feasible.

Egoods55: What is the issue with the ATF reservoir for the TOB on the DR S. kit? I don’t understand what you meant.

 

Hi Eric @Egoods55, congratulation on your conversion but my understanding is that you have only had experience with kits from another Texas company and not with Dr S kits. So you may be missing important differentiators which make Dr S kits superior!

Yes, I had customers of other company reaching out to me with hydraulics problems when they tried to copy our solution of using F1 clutch fluid, but after providing them with our parts the problems were gone. And no hydraulics problems with our own F1 fluid kits installations.

Of course we also provide the clutch safety switch, unlike those other kits etc.

I understand that from your experience Modena Lucerna may be superior to those other company kits, but it does not translate into superiority to Dr S kits

 

Yes, you are not wrong, I’ve used the garbage setup several times from another manufacturer. Which was also 3x the price.
I’ve also done several OEM part conversions…

My choice then easily went from your kit to the ML kit.

I factored in several things such as cost,
What comes with it,
Whom tunes,
Warranty,
& Appearance.

I evaluated your kit in depth.
Don’t think it was a light decision.
Ultimately I decided against it.
For several reasons.

Those reasons I would of left private but since you’re coming on to a thread about your competition trying to sway people away from it, (which is tacky)
I’ll share my reasons.

Firstly know I’m not here to start a war, I have no skin in the game.

I’m offering you my perspective as a professional installer as to why I choose this over that.

For not only the cost being so similar I evaluated what I wanted most out of the kit, and the DrS kit fell to second place for my needs and desires…

My first red flag was that I didn’t want your gaudy logo in my face on any component, this isn’t a fast and furious movie, it’s a Ferrari after all.

DR S. apparently doesn’t have their own shifter cables & you seemingly are using OEM cables which are very scare and in limited supply.
-I’ve had terrible experiences with the more expensive kits; self made cables while waiting for OEM cables.
& I didn’t want to run into that problem again.

The Dr S kit seemingly is also using an off the shelf clutch master cylinder—Which isn’t valved the way Ferrari’s “feel is”

The Dr S kit is also using a soft braided line for the clutch master to the T/o. Which will ultimately still cause pedal fade & degradation during aggressive driving.

After all there is a reason the factory went with a hard line, there was even a Recall Campaign in period, to update the hardline, because the factory deemed it needed as a safety component.

While I appreciate you giving the option for your consumers; In regards to not using brake fluid; You say you haven’t had any problems, yet….
God forbid someone looses pressure and causes an accident and dies.

The factory uses brake fluid because it has a warning sensor in the fluid reservoir.
If there’s any signs of leakage- the operator will have a warning light on the dash as a precaution.
A Massive safety feature.

Cutting this step to me; is detrimental, it’s just a consumer cost cutting perk that just adds liability to the installer… and I’m the installer.

Why give the consumer the option to not do things the right way?

On the 430’s You’re also pushing the ediff delete; which as you said there’s enough threads for people to make their own decisions on.
I for one, am against deleting it.
It’s one of the things that makes the 430 special.

I do appreciate your kit using a clutch safety switch.
It’s ignorant not to, especially since the cars pre wired for it!

I too, have spoken to others whom have used DrS parts with success.
Even shops whom used some of your parts to salvage another kit manufacturers install!!

I’m not coming here to knock on your product, but to give you my feedback on why I choose the Modena Lucerna kit.

I’ll say this, If you wanted to refer a customer to my shop with your kit, I’d gladly install it and give you my professional feedback.

To end my reasons, your spokesperson; Normal car guy Dan isn’t a professional factory trained Ferrari technician after-all. He’s just that; a normal guy. And he has vengeance against his previous partners…. Which makes it even less desirable to hear his thoughts….

Cheers.
Eric











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Looks awesome!

 

Well said eric

 

That hard from the master to the TO is a must. That to me would be like taking all the hard lines out of the car and only use braied lines. I could only think of the expansion or soft pedal.

 

looks great @Egoods55 and your instagram vids are super

 

So this MarvelLucerna kit requires the gearbox to be taken out no? No option for F1 fluid in bearing? Makes it obsolete for us DYI users ?

 

Correct, the kit is only available to do the conversion the factory way, no safety concerns, and no short cuts, no exceptions…

It just makes it more of a DIY project; not obsolete.


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