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New injectors...wow, what a difference

Discussion in '308/328' started by DWPC, Dec 18, 2011.

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  1. DWPC

    DWPC Formula Junior

    Mar 10, 2011
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    And here I thought my engine was running fairly well; just a little rough edge. Boy, was I pleasantly surprised by the huge improvement in smoothness from replacing the ancient steelies with new. I've never heard it sound so good either.
     
  2. PV Dirk

    PV Dirk F1 Veteran

    Jul 26, 2009
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    Ahwatukee, AZ
    How many miles are on your car? Did it have any history of sitting for a long time?

    Glad to hear it made a big difference. It's fun to spend money and be rewarded with a performance increase.
     
  3. DWPC

    DWPC Formula Junior

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    78K miles and the car was enshrined in the garage for four years by the PO's wife after he died.
     
  4. miketuason

    miketuason F1 World Champ
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    Nice to hear about the improvement, I guess I'll plan on doing the same thing as mine has nearly 80K miles. Might need you guys help on this. Thanks
     
  5. stevel48

    stevel48 Formula 3

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    I did mine year one of ownership Mike. It's easy enough. I think the hardest part is getting the damn part numbers right. If you need bushings/seals I have plenty left over that you can have.

    Change the coolant hoses under there too while you're at it.
     
  6. DWPC

    DWPC Formula Junior

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    On our late QVs with the snap-ring style bushings, it's a piece of cake. Pulling the plastic bushings is the harder part of the job; you need to make up a "puller". If your bushing seals are good, you can get away with just popping the injectors alone and pressing the new ones in with new donut o-rings...but eventually the old bushing seals will get hard fail and cause a vacuum leak.
     
  7. stevel48

    stevel48 Formula 3

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    +1. you should change those too.
     
  8. RichardAguinsky

    RichardAguinsky Formula Junior

    Nov 12, 2007
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    When I replaced my injectors with the brass ones, it was a totally different car. AMAZING!!!

    I then failed CA emissions and was tagged as a gross polluter

    The mechanic that readjusted the mixture told me that the new injectors made the mixture too rich, which is why the car was running so good

    After adjusting it back to proper CA emissions standards, the car is back to being slower than a Civic

    You may want to check the new mixture ratio as it may damage the cats. Though enjoy the ride for now!
     
  9. DWPC

    DWPC Formula Junior

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    That's next on the agenda. I'm trying to find an indie with a gas analyzer that isn't terrified to touch an F-car. I had it set pretty lean manually and the idle didn't change with the new injectors so hopefully the new smoothness won't have to be adjusted away.
     
  10. Tifosi2011

    Tifosi2011 Formula Junior

    Apr 3, 2011
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    Where did you purchase your new injectors? How much a piece? And how different would an 85 QV be compared to your 84 in terms of serial part numbers? And did you replace them yourself? And lastly, could you list the all the items that you ordered to complete this task? Thanks for your time.
     
  11. miketuason

    miketuason F1 World Champ
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    Thanks Steve, I might take you up on the bushings assuming they're the same.

    Thanks for the info Dennis, I do have one of the injector puller that VW use for their CISE, but I might still need you guys assistance. Before I replace mine I was thinking of having my injectors clean first and see how they are or just replace them all?
     
  12. DWPC

    DWPC Formula Junior

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    Injectors are Bosch PN 0 437 502 047; verify that it's same for the '84 QV; I'm 99.9999% certain it is. That injector # was used on a lot of Euro cars in the 80s. I bought them from AutoPartsWarehouse.com. Use Google Shopping to find the best current price. Several places sell them for under $30 ea. The o-rings (two sizes needed) are from T Rutledge. I should have replaced the grungy old snap-rings for the bushings with new too.

    I did the work myself....about 4 hours once I figured out how to jury-rig a puller for the bushings using a 4 inch long 10/32 machine screw, some fender washers and a PVC pipe bushing. As usual for 308, the hard part is working mostly by feel on the front bank. You'll have to remove the throttle body to get to the rear bank 2 & 3. As I said, if you trust your bushing seals for a few more years, you can cheat by popping out the injectors only in no time at all, but at some point those 27 year-old o-ring seals will fail.
     
  13. 328turbo

    328turbo Formula Junior

    Jun 15, 2009
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    You could bet your last dollar that right after inspection, I would have drove it straight back to the same mechanic, make it a gross polluter again and replace the cats with test pipes(save em for next inspection, tho;)):D:):D
     
  14. DWPC

    DWPC Formula Junior

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    #14 DWPC, Dec 19, 2011
    Last edited: Dec 19, 2011
    Since new injectors are under $30 ea., I saw no point in messing with the 27 year-old original injectors. No local shop (not even the "certified" Bosch Center) had a working injector cleaning/test set-up and I wasn't going to do a DIY solvent pump rig for a one-time job. The old steel bodies are certainly pitted inside from moisture and no solvent cleaning will restore the precision of the seats and angles. Periodic cleaning may be a good practice for the new ones.

    Your VW puller will pop the injector out, but not the plastic bushing, For that you need to assemble something that fits through the bore of the bushing and catches its lip from beneath. Its got to be something that cannot drop through! I used a 10-32 x 4" lg round head screw w/nut & fender washer, a 3/4 PVC pipe bushing, and a 1 x 3/4 hardwood block as a non-marring fulcrum sitting on the manifold for the lever (a open-end wrench). They come out easy with a little leverage once you get a good grip. I doused mine heavily with WD40 a couple days before; I think it helped.
     

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