Hi everybody, My name is Thiago i'm 36 years old and i'm a ferrarista just like you. I live in Holland and i'm very fond of Italian classic cars. Like almost every man in this world, it has always been my dream to own a Ferrari, my wife (who is very kind) is supporting me in making my dream come true, so with her help we are almost reaching our budget to buy one. As i was doing my "research" over the past two years on which model would fit best to us, i've decided to buy a 365 gt4 2+2. My wife and i both like this model, but we don't know a lot about the technical part of cars. I've surfed around on the internet looking for buyer's guides, well known issues, etc. but i couldn't find a lot about it. We are now planning to make an appointment with two sellers and see two 365gt4s to feel, smell and know the car a little bit better. I was hoping that you could help us on giving us some advice on where to look at, what to ask to the seller, where to pay attention, etc. Could also someone of you recommend me a reliable website or buyer's guide? thanks in advance
Thiago Welcome to FChat and our subforum! On this website I think that you will find the greatest source of technical and other information about all aspects of buying, maintaining, driving, enjoying and owning this fine family of Ferraris that is second to no other on the planet. The people here are some of the most enthusiastic, knowledgeable, friendly and helpful people about these cars that you will find anywhere and you will find a wealth of knowledge and advice to help you along the way. The first thing that you should do is to use the search function on FerrariChat to find some of the excellent threads and posts about the topics and questions that you would like answered as you look at specific cars for sale and develop an understanding of what to look for and how much to pay. These are great cars but they are all on the old side now since the newest 412 is already 23 years old but there are well maintained examples out there. Being informed will help you immensely as you move from enthusiast to owner. Welcome!
Hi Thiago, it's good to know that another enthusiast will soon be joining our happy group. Have a look at this 400 link:- Offers: Ferrari, 400, Final price (?) from ? 1,000.- Or this 365 (inc GT4 2+2) link:- Offers: Ferrari, 365, Final price (?) from ? 1,000.- I'm in England and we drive on the left so have right hand drive cars - the cars shown in the links are pretty much all left hand drive and are in mainland Europe so will suit you best. That said, the prices are pretty high and seem to be increasing so better you find one as quickly as possible. Good luck in your search.
In addition to this forum there's also the site dedicated to the immediate predecessor of the 365 GT4 2+2: The Ferrari 365 GTC/4 Home Page . This site has a Buyer's Guide page: Ferrari 365 GTC/4 Buyer's Guide from Forza . The 365 GT4 2+2 and the 365 GTC/4 have much in common.
Good work Bill. Thiago, you have come to the right place. Welcome to F-Chat. We're a helpful bunch here. I recommend you do a good bit of reading here. Again, Welcome.
Hi everybody, Thank you for all the comments and thank you for welcoming me. I was reading the buyer's but i was wondering if the 365 gtc/4 comes with the exact same engine as the 365gt4?
I believe that they are pretty much the same. Both have the same architecture but with fewer horsepower than the engine used in the 365GTB/4 Daytona.
The Daytona engine has a dry sump oiling system, intake ports in the valley of the V, and downdraft carbs. The C4 engine has a wet sump, intake ports between the camshafts, and side draft carbs. I would also check on the compression ratio, which I don't know by heart but I would not be surprised if the Daytona's is a couple points higher. As far as the C4 and the 365 GT4 2+2 being "the exact same," I know of no significant differences. But with limited production hand built cars, it's sometimes not true to say that two engines in the same model year are "the exact same."
Daytona's do have higher compression and a more aggressive cam that gives more peak HP when combined with the downdraft carbs that are sized a bit higher to give more flow. Our power/ weight ratio is kinda low so 10-20 hp more is going to be pretty hard to detect.
This is kind of interesting - are there any 365 or manual 400 owners out there who also own (or have driven) a Daytona who can confirm if there's a significant difference in acceleration between the cars ? Doesn't really matter but one is the stuff of legends and the other the poor relation so it would be good to know how far apart they really are in straight line speed.
The Daytona is rated at circa 350 bhp, and the GT4 320 - I've run both on the dyno and that's true. I think you'd notice 30 horses? The dry sump system makes the engine more efficient too, with no oil mist/splash for the crank to force through, so it's almost certainly a more responsive unit even without considering cams and compression. My car has a GTC/4 engine in it, which is essentially the same - I had to swap the exhaust cams and distributor drives from the original motor because the GTC has one distributor, and make up an adaptor to mount the heater valve as the GTC one is different. I've run this on the dyno and it has a shade under 320 bhp, so the difference if any is in the distributor/s - as a clue the ignition timing is set differently, but I don't have advance curves to hand! I think the Daytona engine a significantly different animal, whereas the GTC and GT4 are very similar - just my thoughts, sorry ;-)
I'm pretty sure that a Daytona is at least a couple of tenths faster 0-60 (my books are upstairs and I'm enjoying some coffee before heading out to play some tennis) and, of course, the top speed is nearly 175 mph on a Daytona compared to around 150 on the GT4.
Very interesting information! How can someone find out if the car is matching numbers with the engine? Is it possible to e-mail ferrari or are there any reliable lists?
I'm not sure if the engine number appears anywhere but on the original build documents - it doesn't appear on the UK vehicle registration document at least. This point was brought up by the prospective vendor of the GTC whose engine was replaced with my original one (looong story!) - Ferrari (I think it was Classiche) said it was acceptable to swap the engines because the only number actually quoted was the engine type, not the number. Made sense to me anyway!
Hi Thiago, for factory numbers (chassis, engine, built) and for color codes of the Ferrari cars, Marcel Massini is an authority.
The engine number is inscribed on a part of the engine Rovexinius is able to answer correctly to this question Marcel Massini talks easily with owners and answers them But he can't answer to every no owners who want to buy a car.. I may be wrong but in my souvenir he stops at the beginning of the 400 End 1976, beginning 1977
Marcel Massini gave me the original details for two 365 GT4 2+2 (17295 and 17425 from 1973) and for one 365 GT4 BB (18571 from 1975).
