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New member/owner of a 456M GTA with a question

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  1. kiwinz

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    #1 kiwinz, Feb 19, 2014
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    Hi,

    I'm a new owner of a 456M GTA, and have been reading the forums to try and learn as much as possible. It's my first Ferrari, and is the fulfillment of a dream I've had since I was very young.

    I've attached a photo - poor quality due to the lighting, but once the weather gets better I'll be taking it out for longer drives and better photos.

    One thing that I can't really figure out properly is the model year of the car. Inside the drivers door it says March 1998 (I assume that's production date), and it was first registered in July 1998. The 8th to last digit/letter in the VIN is an X, which I understand means a 1999 model year. I guess I'm just surprised that a 1999 model year is built as early as March 1998 and on the road in July 1998, and I want to make sure my insurance company records things properly.

    Also, I noticed the immobilizer/alarm making quite a few beeping sounds with the lights flashing, intermittently while I was driving. It would go away fairly quickly, but I wondered if I'm doing something wrong or that's just how it is. I've read the very helpful guide on the Bosch Immobilizers, and will get replacement batteries for each fob in case that's an issue.

    Many thanks for any help, and I look forward to being a part of this forum.

    Stefan
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  2. Tassie

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    Hi Kiwinz,
    Your handle implies you are from New Zealand but you are not brave enough to provide your name or even country. Easy to rectify.
    If you live in NZ get the immobilizer removed.
    Give the insurance company the actual info - when first registered and VIN#. Let them worry about what is what. You are doing too much thinking.
    Enjoy your car, they are great things but better with standard wheels & tyres! Nice colour combo too!!!!
     
  3. ross

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    hi. some of the time difference might be the original target market. your car seems to be an american delivery model, but your plates look swiss (tough to see completely but thats my impression). the m was made from early 98 to 2004, so the vin makes sense. first date of circulation is not really that important.

    your immobilizer seems to have a short in the unit, not the fobs.

    btw, you need to put spacers on the rear wheels to keep it from looking pigeon toed. best source for that is hill engineering.
     
  4. gt4me

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    Welcome aboard. Great car, agree it needs to be on the correct size wheels/tyres though.
     
  5. 134282

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    Welcome, Stefan, and congratulations on a beautiful 456!

    Can you post the VIN? That would be very helpful in answering your questions.
     
  6. tazandjan

    tazandjan Three Time F1 World Champ
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    Stefan- Batteries in the fobs need to be changed regularly (about once a year, Ferrari recommends 6 months), but they will not affect the LED or siren. It sounds like the rechargeable batteries in your alarm siren are going bad, and that will give the symptoms you describe. A replacement Ferrari siren is around $350, but owners have had good luck replacing the siren with one for a Corvette for less than $100. Some owners have also mounted external rechargeable batteries, but with only partial luck.

    This thread will give you all the details.

    http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/456-550-575/303529-alternate-alarm-siren.html

    Your Ferrari is a very early 456M since the model was introduced in 1998. Give us the VIN and we will see what we can surmise from Carbon's files and Matthias Urban's books.
     
  7. kiwinz

    kiwinz Rookie

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    Thank you very much for all the responses/tips - I hadn't noticed the spacing of the tires, but now that it's been pointed out to me it's quite apparent.

    I'm a New Zealander, but residing in Connecticut - I've now updated my profile to properly reflect that.

    The VIN of the car is ZFFWL50A3X0111810 - from the records I have, it looks like it was originally sold in Canada, but has spent most of its life in California.

    I'm wondering if the immobilizer/alarm I have is actually an after-market device with some sort of radar detector. The lights are to the driver's left hand side next to the windscreen, and there's a small round device sitting on top of the dashboard that says GPS on it. When I looked in the front grille I noticed a small black box as well.

    Apologies in advance for my lack of the correct terms/technical knowledge - I have a lot to learn!
     
  8. tazandjan

    tazandjan Three Time F1 World Champ
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    Stefan- Take some photos and maybe we can help. The alarm LED is only a single red bulb on the center console near the switches.

    Sounds like you have a built in radar detector, and that is beeping and flashing at you from whatever it is seeing. There should be an on-off switch and a sensitivity setting control on the panel you describe. If you can ID the box, you should be able to download a users manual from the internet.

    25 mm Hill Engineering Type 2 wheel spacers will fix your empty wheel wells. Have them on my 575M.
     
  9. kiwinz

    kiwinz Rookie

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    Thank you Terry - I'll take a closer look at the alarm/radar device to see if I can figure out where it's from etc.

    On the spacers, thank you for the detail on the right kind. In your (or anyone else's) opinion is this something that a novice could or should attempt to install? In concept it doesn't seem too different to changing a tire, but I could be underestimating what could go wrong ...

    Cheers,

    Stefan
     
  10. tazandjan

    tazandjan Three Time F1 World Champ
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    Stefan- No sweat, just torque the spacer bolts and the wheel bolts and you should be good.
     
  11. tazandjan

    tazandjan Three Time F1 World Champ
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    Stefan- Matthias Urban's book just says she is a 99MY US 456M, blue with naturale (cuoio) interior and the same VIN you show. If she was Canadian, the instruments would likely be metric
     
  12. kiwinz

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    Thanks Terry for checking on the heritage - good to have that confirmed.

    I'm sure over time I'll have some more questions, and hopefully will learn a lot - it's great to have this forum and such knowledgeable, helpful people.

    Stefan
     
  13. G. Pepper

    G. Pepper Three Time F1 World Champ
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    Seriously, I would ditch those wheels. They're not the right offset, and they may not be the right widths either. Stock 456 wheels are pretty common. I got a set from a fellow f-chater inexpensively. I wouldn't mess with spacers.

    Great car!

    Cheers,

    George
     
  14. Mr. V

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    I hope that what looks like a small pool of oil under the left front of your 456 isn't leaking from your car.
     
  15. kiwinz

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    I see your point re ditching the wheels, depending on expense. It seems a prior owner decided to switch to 18" wheels, and while they do appear to be Ferrari, I guess just not the right size for the car.

    I think the small pool/puddle is water due to the weather I drove the car in, but I'll be sure to double check - thank you for bringing that to my attention

    Cheers
    Stefan



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  16. Mr. V

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    I only mentioned it because the oil reservoir is located nearly overhead.
     
  17. tazandjan

    tazandjan Three Time F1 World Champ
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    #17 tazandjan, Feb 22, 2014
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    Stefan- 550 and 575M wheels fit the 456M perfectly, as do Novitec NF2s. They improve handling and braking at a slight cost in ride. Here are some photos. Most have rear spacers, except the one with the 550 Barchetta wheels, which needs them.

    A new set of 550 wheels (2nd from bottom) from Exoticar are only $1200. Tell Chris I sent you.
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  18. kiwinz

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    Thanks for pointing out - given the oil reservoir is pretty much overhead, that is a bit concerning. I did have a PPI which I hope would have noticed such a leak (?), unless there was some damage during transportation. I did use horseless carriage which is pretty well trusted, but I suppose things can still happen ...
     
  19. 134282

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    I, too, have Stefan's 456 as a Canadian model.
     
  20. tazandjan

    tazandjan Three Time F1 World Champ
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    Carbon- Both have an A prefix in the VIN and the only real difference is metric vs English gauges, so entirely possible.
     
  21. kiwinz

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    Thanks - having had a look at the service records, I see there was a metric to english conversion of the gauges by Ferrari when it was brought into the US.

    I finally managed to take it out for a proper drive today which was great, though after stopping a few times, I did notice the parking brake light remained on, even though the parking brake was off. I see several posts on this issue on the forum, so will try and remedy it.

    Cheers,
    Stefan
     
  22. tazandjan

    tazandjan Three Time F1 World Champ
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    Stefan- Trick on the parking brake is to push the button and pull up on the handle before letting the handle down. Should do the trick. Learned by everybody who has driven a late model Corvette or Ferrari.
     
  23. G. Pepper

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    This^^^^

    You have to hold the button in ALL THE WAY DOWN or the parking brake will not disengage. Felt like an idiot when I learned that.

    Cheers,

    George
     
  24. mcypert

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    Stefan, +1 on what Taz and George said. Sometimes it helps to use two hands. You think you're getting the button down but until it goes all the way in, it won't cut-off the "Park" light. If you still can't get it off, might look at my post on the location and testing of the switch.

    Regards... Mark
     
  25. kiwinz

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    Terry - I took a closer look at the wheels on the car, and they're Fikse brand. I had thought they were Ferrari because the metal prancing horse is in the middle of the wheels. The current rims = 18 inches, I am correct in thinking if I got Ferrari wheels that were 18 inches (eg 550 Maranellos, not requiring a spacer on rear), I could use the existing tires?

    Thank you,

    Stefan
     

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